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Here is another roundup of some of the most thought-provoking reader comments of the week. Comments are selected by our editors and subject to editing for grammar, spelling, clarity and length.

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Anaheim Police Killing

I wouldn’t want to be chasing a bad guy with a gun down a dark alley regardless, but I certainly wouldn’t want to after [Anaheim City Councilwoman Lucille Kring] broadcast to the world that an elected official believes that taking them in dead is better than alive. Doesn’t exactly do much to incentivize not going out in a blaze of stupidity, now does it?

Of course, the ironic piece here hasn’t been discussed: Guess who’s going to get deposed and who’s statement is going to be in the family’s complaint when they sue Anaheim? Saved a trial indeed.

— Ryan Cantor

Kring needs to apologize publicly to the police for labeling them as murderous vigilantes.

We hope the police shot back in self-defense, which is very justifiable and something we expect our police to do. We hope the police did not summarily murder the person in order to save the cost of a trial. To claim they did is a huge insult to the honor and integrity of the police, and Kring owes them a huge public apology.

— Kburgoyne

She didn’t apologize for praising summary execution, especially for its cost and time savings. All she did was apologize for not respecting Moreno Jr.’s — and I’m paraphrasing this to make it more coherent — inherent dignity as a human being.

You may want to read into that an apology for shooting suspects dead without trial; I interpret it as saying only that she feels a little bad about being so celebratory about it.

If she really doesn’t still favor summary execution, perhaps she’ll let us know more explicitly.

— Greg Diamond

The incident does not meet the definition of “summary execution.” Don’t even go there. The “this is always a good outcome” statement likely applies to the incident as I have described it, and in that sense I fully endorse the comment.

I don’t interpret statements like these on a hyperpartisan basis as many do. My only criticism of Kring would be that she didn’t see this hypercriticism coming. She should have clarified her statement at the time.

— Junior

DA Didn’t Properly Reveal Evidence

The scary thing would be any one of those five [defendants] ever walking the street again.

From my position in law enforcement, I know all 5 very well, especially [Leonel] Vega, also known as Downer from Delhi. They are sociopaths, psychotic, murderous and bloodthirsty. They would kill in a heartbeat without even thinking about it, and they have before.

If granted retrials, I highly doubt any one of them would win acquittals, since most of the murder convictions were from street executions and their crime partners testified against them.

The DA’s office really dropped the ball on this one, and shame on them if their shady conducts puts any of our lives at risk in the future. They didn’t even need a jailhouse informant on any of these five — and definitely not [Scott] Dekraai.

— All American

A Streetcar for Santa Ana?

Most people that have looked at this project already know that it’s a train to nowhere. The downtown circulator has some value for Santa Ana, but then the tangent up the Pacific Electric right of way to Garden Grove makes no sense in terms of transportation.

Let’s look at real ridership numbers. If this boondoggle will not move the masses or will cannibalize existing transit to get people moving, it doesn’t really have value to the Orange County Transportation Authority. The idea that “if you build it, hopefully Santa Ana can then attract people, and maybe some of them will ride the light rail” is a bad premise for justifying a project of this magnitude and certainly one this expensive.

The reality is that Garden Grove wants this project because they think it will open up development opportunities at the Willowick Golf Course site they own. Santa Ana desperately needs Garden Grove to support it because Santa Ana would otherwise have to pay the full cost of the system without the useless Garden Grove link.

Neither of those reasons has anything to do with actually moving people. All of the reasons Santa Ana uses to promote the light rail instead of improving bus service have to do with revitalizing and redeveloping areas of an already crowded city.

OCTA is in the business of transportation. It is not their job to play around with development. If this light rail project depends on new development that may or may not ever happen, then OCTA should stop wasting money on it and wait until that development comes and transit is needed.

— SA Resident

Planning Commission Is No Place for Politics

Dr. Gardner, it’s too bad, but planning commissioners will always be political appointees and their selection and behavior quasi-political. Sometimes you get lucky; mostly you don’t.

I was on the OC Planning Commission for almost eight years. The 3rd District commissioner was Rick Goacher — honest and dedicated, a real pro.

On the other hand, there hasn’t been a coherent county planning commissioner from the 1st District in a decade.

— David Zenger

Rebidding a Controversial Contract

I guess not automatically renewing any Santa Ana contract is a good idea at this point. Although NAPA Auto Parts appears to be meeting all the terms of their contract as required, some of the other city contractors may have failed to perform well, and it’s sound policy to solicit bids to make sure the residents are getting the best possible deal.

If, however, NAPA Auto Parts places a bid and is the lowest responsible bidder, I hope the City Council will do right by the residents and accept that bid instead of using this contract to continue to attack the mayor.

— SA Resident

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A Two-Year Fight With CalOptima

“CalOptima Chairman Mark Refowitz agreed to address Cullen’s issues personally, and Nguyen asked staff to update the full board on Cullen’s case.”

So the message is, go and complain to the board personally to get adequate service?

— David Zenger

The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Plus they are afraid, since the person doing the complaining has the proven ability to raise heck; she is educated, articulate and has documented her complaint.

She went to the media and got the attention she deserved, and presto, the Board of Supervisors is interested and “wants” to research and respond. Another example of someone with tenacity and brains busting the board’s chops.

I don’t believe they give a tinker’s darn. It’s all a show on the stage that is the Board of Supervisors. It’s “make it go away time.”

— Insider2

Santa Ana’s Five-Year Plan

I think the idea of a “five-year strategic plan” for a city is an interesting one, although it is unclear what it really means and what teeth are in it. Probably the same “teeth” in it as Santa Ana’s “Code of Ethics” — which is zero.

— Junior

I suspect the City Council members realize this is merely posturing. When you consider that the participation in the surveys which accompany the “plan” were woefully low (fewer than 1,000 resident respondents for the questionnaire), you realize what a complete joke this whole episode is.

SACReD is jockeying and lobbying for position, and the council members are scrambling to save their seats.

Santa Ana needs better streets, not bike lanes.

— David Vasquez

Santa Ana Red-Light Cameras’ Days Are Numbered

Now the City Council should advise the Police Department and the city attorney to stop processing and prosecuting these citations. Enough is enough.

— Dathinkster

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Do the Right Thing

Assemblywoman Sharon Quirk-Silva should do the right thing and lead the charge to pass single-payer health care now to cover everyone in California. The Democrats passed legislation to begin the process twice when they knew Arnold Schwarzenegger would veto it, but now that they control both houses of the Legislature and have a Democrat as governor, they won’t touch it with a 10-foot pole.

— Fullerton Rag

As the American public has discovered after the fact, the true goal of the progressives has always been mandatory government-run health care for all. Young people are not stupid and can do the math.

What Quirk-Silva and her ilk really mean is: “We need millions of young, healthy people to sign up, pay their premiums but never use the coverage. That way we can give away free benefits to people who will then keep voting for us.”

— Smith2

Moorlach Bows Out

One-on-one, [Supervisor] John [Moorlach] is a nice guy. He came into office with a landslide of votes against a union-backed candidate — quite a victory. But he made a lot of bad choices — including setting the tone of the county workforce being the enemy. That hostile attitude permeates the Hall of Administration today.

His personnel choices, such as [former county Treasurer] Chriss Street and [former Public Administrator] John Williams, were bad, really bad.

He chose to pursue issues, such as the lawsuit against the deputy sheriff’s union against the advice of most legal counsel, got other board members to support that and predictably lost, costing the county millions in the process. This was an issue that was of little interest to most voters, but to him it seemed a personal mission.

All said and done, John has shown that he is a poor manager and never made it as a leader. Not that he is any worse than most others elected to public office, and in fact, since he seems to have not generated any accusations of corruption, he is probably better than most of his board colleagues.

— Equal Time

Moorlach, for all his shortcomings, maintained some semblance of integrity.

His peers, on the other hand, have sold their votes to whoever had the most cash in hand. How [Supervisor Janet] Nguyen gets away with her shady fundraising tactics is a real mystery. Why the Republican establishment supports her is shameful.

— Smith2

Oh, boohoo. For all his years in lucrative public office, did Moorlach ever make an effort to clean it up?

— Curmudgeon

Norby Accused of Domestic Abuse

In my opinion it is appropriate for Voice of OC to report on a former supervisor/assemblyman’s arrest involving domestic violence and allegations of child endangerment.

In addition, it is admirable that an Orange County supervisor [Shawn Nelson] bailed Norby out of jail as an obvious personal friend and attorney.

To Chris Norby, Mrs. Norby and Supervisor Nelson: Keep your defamatory statements about one another private. There is a 2-year-old little boy involved, and he will read your statements on the Internet one day.

Try to act like grownups.

— CaliGrammy

I have to agree with CaliGranny. This is like an episode of tabloid — just nasty, classless, clueless and crass.

And here is a hint to Nelson: Nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors. Unless you were there, Supervisor Nelson, you do not know. There is no problem with bailing out your buddy, but keep your mouth shut.

This hot mess is between two troubled adults. The shame is how this will impact the children. Everyone connected to this tragic disaster seems to have a case of media blabber mouth.

— Insider2

Just wondering if anyone called the other three ex-Mrs. Norbys to see if they concur with what the soon-to-be fourth ex-wife says.

— DanChmielewski

Convention Center Expansion

Glad it’s not my tax dollars Anaheim will be at least partially wasting on this. I think it’ll bring in a little bit more revenue for a little while, but it’s very unlikely to have a positive return on investment in the long run.

While the Internet will not be completely destroying conventions in the near future (conventions will eventually go fully virtual in the long term), it is already eating away at the edges of conventions. It’s weakening demand from the basis of more and more people feeling less and less inclined toward bothering to attend. Video teleconferencing and the posting of educational/training presentations online sap much — granted, not all — of the incentive to leave your family, fly across the country, book hotel rooms and shove your way through crowded convention halls.

Just imagine a collection of video chat rooms organized around a central “conference” website. Rather than walking convention center aisles shoving through crowds, you click on virtual “booths” on the website, and it connects you up with a video conference with the company representative who stayed home at his office rather than standing around in a convention center booth.

I used to sit near marketing people in a company, and they’d spend their time trying to invent reasons why they had to go to this or that convention in Las Vegas. Yes, they wanted the company to pay for them to go to Vegas. Then they can have some fine dining with entertainment and write it all off as a “business expense.” The convention was just the excuse.

What is Anaheim’s equivalent attraction to Vegas for the business traveler, not the family traveler? Disneyland is great, but it’s a family attraction, not a business traveler attraction.

— Kburgoyne

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Do the Angels Need a Better Deal From Anaheim?

No taxpayer money for wealthy team owners. Period.

The best way to get a team to show actual commitment to a community is to make the team invest in its own facilities. Want a loan? Maybe, on the condition any remainder must be paid back immediately if the team moves.

Too many team owners have insufficient commitment to the communities in which their teams play, but yet they really want those communities to have a commitment to their teams. Sorry, but it’s a two-way street.

— Kburgoyne

Concealed Weapons Permits

Sort of telling, isn’t it? All these years without concealed carry, and suddenly a bunch of folks feel “unsafe”? Sheesh.

Let those requesting permits pay the cost. I sure don’t want to.

— Canycany

Next up? Stand Your Ground.

— Dweezle

Tough Road Ahead for Anaheim’s New Police Chief

As president of Anaheim Cops 4 Kids, I would agree with [editorial writer  Hector] Villagra that Chief [Raul] Quezada, as any police chief, has his hands full in dealing with running of the Anaheim Police Department.

I also agree that preventing kids from joining gangs is a priority. Therefore I take issue with [Villagra’s] comments about Anaheim’s gang strategies.

There is no city in Orange County that has done more prevention outreach in communities than Anaheim. For over 20 years, Cops 4 Kids has reached out to children in the community and through targeted intervention worked at reducing gang membership.

Our Jr. Cadet program currently has over 500 children attending, and thousands more have participated. The efforts have earned the recognition of the Orange County grand jury, and the program is being duplicated by departments around the state.

I would invite you, Mr. Villagra, to join our next graduation and interact with the parents of the children and see if they believe Anaheim has not done enough to prevent gang membership.

— Joe Vargas

Paramedic Fee

Depending upon what the fees cover and don’t cover, it’s not “double taxation.”

A rational approach to this (which is often beyond elected officials) is for taxes to pay for all the infrastructure and to have people waiting for a call. The “fee” should then be to cover any additional expenses. For example, mileage, supplies consumed etc. — all those things that would not have been an expense if nobody had actually called.

This is somewhat (not precisely) similar to a business’ “fixed costs” versus “variable costs.” The “fixed costs” are those incurred even if everybody sits around on their duffs. The “variable costs” are those costs incurred to actually produce or deliver the product or service.

Using this concept, the ‘fixed costs” should be covered by taxes so society as a whole has the service readily available. The “variable costs” should be billed to the person needing the service.

— Kburgoyne

The Anaheim Chamber of Commerce Audit

Another beautiful gift from [City Councilwoman Lucille] Kring, who chalked up problems like inadequate timekeeping to the sloppiness that can arise when doing something successfully and with excitement: “Sometimes you get so involved in the excitement … you forget about ‘Oh, I should dot the I and cross the T,’ ” Kring said.

It’s a basic requirement necessary to complete a job as a contractor. Does anyone really believe that Lucy Kring would tell a client of hers: “Well, I just got so excited with your legal issue that I forgot to keep track of how many hours I worked on it. Anyway, I bill out at $300 an hour. Here’s your bill for $30,000.”

Not qualified to lead — at all.

— Ryan Cantor

Of course the accounting was a mess. The first required audit at six months was never done. The vendor wasn’t even hired until the Chamber of Commerce was almost a year into mangling the contract.

But really, the bigger questions are: Who were the principle beneficiaries of millions in tax credits and were they being rewarded for jobs they were going to hire for anyway and how many of these new jobs were just replacements for pre-existing positions?

Shall we ever know? Of course not.

— David Zenger

Santa Ana Mayor Under Investigation

What is the prospect for a viable mayoral candidate to emerge this election cycle? I’d say slim to none.

Who in the community could possibly take on the long-standing mayor [Miguel Pulido]? Two currently sitting council members tried and failed miserably. Another longtime city activist was crushed as well.

So we can sit and complain about Pulido all day long, we can write blog accounts that he is the son of Satan, crooked, corrupt and everything else, but if you can’t get someone better to run against him, we are stuck with him. At the end of the day, runs win baseball games and votes win elections.

Who in Santa Ana has the name recognition, financial resources, clean closet (no affairs, divorces, drug convictions) and gumption? Answer that one and you have your answer.

Until Santa Ana can come up with a better candidate, well, we’ll keep reading this kind of thing.

— Alex Perez

I suspect there is no answer, because there are no viable candidates. That actually should be the real discussion.

If there are, in fact, close to a half a million residents in a lower economic class community, many of whom have no voice because of immigration status and citizenship status, and not a single person can challenge the supposedly corrupt mayor, one must wonder.

It brings to the surface an important and ignored question: Those launching the attacks cannot vote, don’t want to because of economic interest or don’t feel strongly enough about the community. That leaves a transplant or a straw candidate. Or they can stick with Pulido and continue to complain and shoot arrows.

Is there no single person who is capable of running for mayor of this clearly dysfunctional city? I have to agree unfortunately.

— David Vasquez

Nguyen and CalOptima

Nguyen was actually quite successful. She increased her medical industry campaign contributions from $15,000 to $95,000 during her term on CalOptima.

The fault for every shortcoming done by this Board of Supervisors is directly the fault of voters. Voting takes studying, and when a board is represented by one party only, it is ripe for corruption.

— Dweezle

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