• the714

    Where to begin … since almost everything you wrote is incorrect. I’ll highlight just one point: If PA had not agreed to the sale of TapouT’s assets (joining all the other shareholders, who also agreed), the Estate would have received nothing as TapouT would have filed for bankruptcy. Because of PA’s moves the children received around $3.5 million for their father’s shares. Even the CEO’s outside attorney reviewer, who was hired to do a hatchet-job on Mr. Williams, ended up agreeing with this.

  • OCservant_Leader

    Fund 12D and that building is a abotros sitting at the Civic Center. Not one person was fired. I agree it is a pretty big crime. They can’t pretend it didn’t happen. I won’t let the public forget. How many homeless could they house and feed for that 2Milliom?

    Each Agency has such a slush Fund. Remember the bad IT systems that can’t collect data? You reference Dana Point Harbor and how about OC Parks cutting large checks to Donor? Everyone got promoted! All this corruption was going on when the BOS would read obituaries at public meetings.

    Why doesn’t Spitzer or Do get riled up about important “stuff ” like this instead of wasting time shutting down the 3 speakers who come to meetings or building statues? Good job Vof OC- keep the spotlight on their shell game.

  • David Zenger

    Klubnikin is a kook, however the issue of the Internal Auditor backing a Department or elected to the detriment of the public is very real.

    In his “audit” of the Fund 12D matter, the Internal Auditor, Peter Hughes, accepted the completely ridiculous assertion by CoCo that the purchase of real estate by County Recorder Tom Daly with Fund 12D money was copacetic. These funds are generated by user fees and are (supposed to be) segregated so that they may be direct solely for “technological” improvements in the County Recorder’s operations. Daly suckered the BoS into buying the derelict building at 433 W. Civic center Drive as a new County Archive/Sports Hall of Fame(!) function, two uses that have absolutely nothing to do with the County Recorder’s job, and nothing to do with technological improvements.

    Hughes is not a lawyer, but he could have easily got an impartial legal opinion on the matter, and in fact he had an ethical obligation to do so given the absurdity of the County Counsel’s “analysis.” But Hughes didn’t want to. That can of worms was one that nobody wanted open. And so $2.1 million was completely wasted on a tear down building without any accountability at all.

    Hughes also helped whitewash the egregious PDI contract at Dana Point Harbor, where the contract was inexplicably shifted to a fixed fee arrangement, and in which the contractor (a Pat Bates contributor) got about $50,000 a month, every month, for five years whether he did anything or not.

    And that’s why the County Auditor should be doing audits.

  • jz

    Someone needs to instruct Do and the rest of the GOP controlled BOS on the Constitution, if they’ve ever read it between their rhetorical attacks lacking substance, but seeping with “decorum.

  • Cynthia Ward

    I wasn’t going to bring up Fitzgerald but since Spitzer did I guess it is fair game. I detest Fitzgerald’s remarks and have emailed him repeatedly asking him to stop. If nothing else it makes people NOT hear what he has to say.

    But if you peel away the profanity and ignorance, ultimately his beef with Anaheim is lack of the usual and customary documentation other businesses are forced to provide (at great expense) that would seem to require that Disney prove their fireworks are SAFE for the residents that are subjected to their fallout night after night, for YEARS of potential cumulative impact. Is this not a legitimate set of documents for a citizen to ask of their government?

    Disney has the ability to shut this man up and save their besties on the Anaheim City Council from the constant abuse of a profane angry man, by simply offering the documents they should have on file anyway. Even without a requirement for review, one would assume a company as protective of their “brand” would study the materials they use on site for safety in a proactive move against litigation. Yet they remain silent. Would it not make more sense to take out a full page ad (or more as needed for space) and PRINT THE STUPID REPORTS on the safety of the materials the Happiest Place on Earth forces into the back yards, dog dishes, playground equipment, and vegetable gardens of Anaheim’s citizens?

    I went looking for those documents, back when I was involved in defending and promoting the corporate tourism factory, because I wanted to shut Fitzgerald’s pie hole. That was the beginning of the end for my relationship with Le Mouse. There aren’t any documents, not publicly available anyway.

    The City EIR only addresses the sound level of Disney pyrotechnics, not content. The Fire department is concerned only with safe storage and transportation of materials on the ground. The City’s permit process and environmental review provides more information on landscaping in the public realm than the (believed) carcinogens falling onto the landscaping.

    Stay on the phone long enough you eventually get tossed to the SCAQMD (which makes sense) but the same agency that wanted to outlaw fire pits at the beach for unhealthy air quality have EXEMPTED pyrotechnics from any standard of review or regulation!

    Disney won’t release the contents of their materials, nor will their exclusive supplier. But when you check pyrotechnics in general, they appear to produce those lovely colors by igniting heavy metals like barium, aluminum, magnesium, lead, etc. The “green” fireworks invented by Disney a few years ago use less black powder as they launch with compressed air instead of exploding them into the sky,but black powder is still believed to be used for detonation once aloft, and there is no evidence (made public) that the oooohhh…aaahhh…colors are from anything but heavy metals that sparkle when lit. What comes up must come down. If Disney invented some new technology that produces fireworks without heavy metals, why are they not telling the world about it? How much press attention did they demand for “banking” their water while draining the Rivers of America? (ie pumping duck-poop filled filthy water into the system instead of into the sewers and when ready to refill getting nice clean water in return? Hmm….who paid to CLEAN it?) Anyway, they have a long history of patting themselves on the back for the slightest of innovations (Kris Murray AND former Disney Prez Kalogridis BOTH took credit for recycling OCTA busses and drivers for Disney transport, what a two-fer) but we have heard NOTHING about their innovative non-polluting pyrotechnics as a DAILY event in our community? Really?

    To Disney’s credit, if Fitz really believes the fireworks to be dangerous why has he not MOVED out from under the constant fallout? There is “defending property rights” and then there is stubborn and stupid.

    So we have the County in charge of documents that could silence Klubnikin, but their reaction is to change the rules to first shorten the period in which he may object to (his perceived) harm of his mother’s estate, and now consider further restrictions on his speech, instead of COUNTERING HIM BY ADDRESSING THE ISSUE! And in Anaheim we have a major corporation milking their squeaky clean image while enjoying government protection in refusing to provide the proof of safety that citizens deserve that also silences someone spewing profane insults at their “friends.” Yet the focus of media is often on those who have completely slipped their nut after years of frustratingly beating their heads against the brick wall of government refusing to show they have done the job government is tasked with doing.

    Welcome to Orange County.

    • OCservant_Leader

      Wow- I will never look at the fireworks the same. The winds carry that poision and inpacts everyone – just think it’s in Disney-paid Officals pools in Anahiem Hills too.

      What a bunch of collective greedy morons.

      Thanks for the info. I have to go dump out my dogs water dish.

  • Cynthia Ward

    So….
    “Week in, week out, every time we have a meeting, it seems like
    the berating is getting more intense,” Do said.

    “I know freedom of speech is something that’s very difficult to
    curtail or to define, but there has to be, I think, something that we need to
    put in place, because I’m just getting fed up with the kind of comments that I
    hear nowadays.”

    Has it occurred to anyone that this guy is getting louder in an effort to BE HEARD? Consider the complaint lodged, because it seems to be something pretty bad, and frankly something easily verified.

    ‘“Your internal auditor engaged in a criminal coverup of the lead county counsel not paying a blankin’ mortgage on an estate that was seized.’

    ‘For years, he has attended nearly every regular board meeting and used topics on the weekly agenda, such as child services and air conditioning, as a platform to allege that supervisors were involved in a conspiracy to improperly seize several homes owned by his mother.’

    Has anyone looked into this and determined whether the County did in fact seize his mother’s estate, with several properties worth of value? Did the County not pay the mortgage? Has this man been harmed by the
    actions of the County? The reaction to this nastiness is not to impose new
    rules to silence dissenting views, the reaction of PUBLIC SERVANTS should be to investigate the claims this man has made, and fix it if they screwed up, and if they didn’t screw up, then counter his claims with truth and documents in
    rebuttal. Good gravy, is it really that difficult?

    • OCservant_Leader

      I agree – it is so obvious.

      I believe this is the collateral fallout of a much larger scandal at PA/PG so BOS won’t discuss (bad advice).

      Good lord the man brings his mother to the meetings! Something went horribly wrong here and it is scary for all us because it could be US next.

  • OCservant_Leader

    I think Supervisors had a flash of Bustamonte at Public Works and got scared. When in doubt…reach for the bible Sup Do da.

  • David Zenger

    The image of Nick Chrisos and the cleaning lady is pretty hard to conjure up. What’s the big deal?

  • OCservant_Leader

    What he said was outrageous (but legal) and (if) OC steals property from old people -THAT is outrageous! Address that!

    That is his point. We get it.

  • Any member of the public is free to attend out meetings and speak their mind. It goes with the territory of bring elected. It wasn’t just his analogy, it was his tone and intonation. I am very respectful of speakers’ rights to chastise or praise. I never censor and I folliwv the guidelines to maintain decorum as outlined by the ACLU. There are moments that a speaker uses their speech not to inform but to purposely inflame hoping the BOS will shut down the speech or violate a constitutional right. That has happened before and it resulted in the County being sued in Federal Court. We prevailed but that’s not the point. Fitzgerald regularly appears in Anaheim and has called the councilmembers horrible names. You can have utter disdain for our role in the County. You can share that opinion in a full public forum. There are certain lines that cannot be crossed albeit fuzzy lines.

    • Sorry for typos. Cell phone.

    • Kathleen Tahilramani

      ‘It wasn’t just his analogy, it was his tone and intonation.” Not buying that for a second. Absolute BS. Deal with it – so what if someone has a loud and sarcastic tone? It seems to be ok for you to be sarcastic and dismissive of issues and concerns you feel do not merit your attention but oh no nobody else can have that option.

      Face it you adore the fuzzy lines – just more room to manipulate.

  • OCservant_Leader

    The problem the OC Board of Supes have is they circle the wagons to protect negligence and malfeasance on EVERY bad deed and actor -period.

    Since they have collusion among all working elements of government and major media they rule as an absolute monarchy- the public can go pound sand (or show up at BOS and harass them!)

    It’s not a stretch to believe OC Managers abused their power for personal gain in this case. Government Stealing from old people? That’s really bad -Even if this wasn’t corrupt OC.

    Isn’t this the whole Public Administrator/Public Guardian Scandal? Where the DA’s HS Diploma girlfriend was running the shop while the elected was living in Florida? (My apologies in advance if I got the wrong scandal)

    I hope this guy doesn’t give up! The public is on HIS side and he can lead the parade when the indictments come down.

  • Kathleen Tahilramani

    Klubnikin has been getting under the skin of the BOS for years. I find it interesting that his comments touch such a nerve ….maybe he is getting close to something that someone wants to “make it go away”? There are many questions surrounding Kubnikin’s mom’s care and her estate.
    Klubnikin has a talent for saying what many are thinking but can’t or will not dare say. He does not kiss the royal ring.He has a radar for pointing out the fake and phony comic circus act that is each and every board meeting.And then there is the frail,sensitive and fed-up Supervisor Do – good grief dude toughen up. You can’t tolerate something that was on TV for all school kids to hear? Hope he never tunes into 2 and 1/2 men, Do may faint.

    • the714

      Anyone who is interested in learning the truth about the Klubnikin case, and the Public Guardian’s former involvement in it, can easily review the public case files at the OC Superior Court under case nos. 30-2010-00415693 (conservatorship) and 30-2010-00421826 (trust). Suffice it to say that the truth is far afield from the ravings of Michael Klubnikin; just as one example, the Public Guardian intervened when Mr. Klubnikin mis-managed his elderly mother’s affairs so badly that she was an inch from losing her 50-year home to foreclosure. The Public Guardian and County Counsel stopped that from happening, and she still has that home today. Never mentions that in his BOS rants, does he?

      • Kathleen Tahilramani

        Explain why the second home was sold? There is more to this story. Yes, I know there are two sides to this story and I suspect there very well was some mismanagement but there are still many questions.

        • the714

          The Public Guardian received permission from the court to sell one of the Trust’s two Morro Bay properties to raise money to solve the other problems caused by Mr. Klubnikin. Two years later, after a professional trustee took over for the Public Guardian, that trustee received court permission to sell the other Morro Bay property. The Public Guardian had nothing to do with it. But every PG action taken was approved by the court, always over Mr. Klubnikin’s objections.

          • Kathleen Tahilramani

            Interesting, Thanks for the information. I would assume that the proceeds are being used for Mrs.K’s needs and care and that her well being is court supervised. Hopefully?

          • OCservant_Leader

            Can you imagine having your parent decline and need assistance from the government and have to turn your finances over to this group? Gives me a shiver.

            The law is intended to protect against abuse in the family. What about abuse by the government?

            I recall when this all imploded – the employees were hammered to keep quiet about the corruption.

            The cleaning crew came in – DA wife had to go to OC Parks -PA/PG left with a bucket of money to Florida & now we can trust their management?

            This is a horrible story.

          • the714

            Where do you get this stuff? John Williams retired to South Orange County, not Florida; and he lives on the pension he earned for many years of County employment, starting in the old Marshal’s Dept. His tenure as PA/PG didn’t end well, but the scorn heaped on him by certain political types was largely unfair.

          • OCservant_Leader

            He lived in FLORIDA and lied on his time sheet for years! Didn’t end well? yea you could say that.

          • the714

            Sigh. I guess people who want to believe the worst are impervious to facts. Mr. Williams didn’t live in Florida, he lived (and lives) here in OC. The issue of OC elected officials completing time sheets is more complicated than a soundbite, since electeds aren’t required to keep office hours like normal employees.

          • John Claxton

            The funny thing on this was my first day on the job, I was sitting in my supervisors office (he is now the chief deputy) and he received a call from “Mr. Williams”. When the phone call ended, my supervisor said “The boss wants me to fill out his timesheet for the last two weeks. I haven’t seen him in almost a month. I hate committing perjury so early in the morning.” This is what led me eventually to get copies of Mr. Williams timesheets.

          • John Claxton

            My complaint was referred to the internal auditor Dr. Peter Hughes who basically said Mr. Williams was not capable of understanding the complexities of filling out his timesheets.

          • John Claxton

            No, he didn’t live in Florida but he sure liked to go there a lot on the county dime to attend conferences that he had no business attending 3-5 times a year – it’s just coincidence right that his brother just happened to love there. He also put Peggi Buff and Ann Barlow in charge of the office. Please humor us all and give us the DA’s wife’s qualification to run the PAPG? Kimberly Edds should have won a Pulitzer for her coverage (Vern Nelson at the Orange Juice Blog wrote a great and entertaining article on “The Worst Public Administrator Ever”

          • the714

            As for Ms. Edds, I’ll simply note that she spent 1.5 hours interviewing me, and I told her she could not only quote me, she could record the interview to make sure she got it right. Then she used not one bit of the information I gave her – because my information blew up her preconceived narrative. A reporter doesn’t get page 1 (much less a Pulitzer) by reporting complexity and nuance; they get that by reporting “scandal!” even if they have to ignore contrary information to get there. She got many, many things wrong.

          • the714

            PG hasn’t been involved in the Klubnikin case for around three years. But a professional trustee remains in control of Mrs. Klubnikin’s properties and the whole thing is court supervised.

    • OCservant_Leader

      “Morrow Bay” property? Hmm. How many trips did OC staff have to make up there?

      The man brought his mother to the BOS meeting. Whether or not her family mismanaged her estate that’s their family business. The government if in collusion- can create any paper trail.

      I do not trust the OC PG officials on this (nor the EA answering).

      This is the truth: Their number one guy PA/PG was faking time sheets when he lived in Florida and the number 2 was the DA’s girlfriend. Enough said.

      It was a pit of corruption. Next.

      • the714

        Number of staff trips to Morro Bay: zero. As for it being “family business,” I guess we’ll have to disagree. The CA Probate Code allows the PG to ask the court for authority to intervene when an elder’s person or estate is endangered; that’s the whole reason each county has a Public Guardian. I’m not an EA… you think an EA would have such detailed info? (Not to mention that this info is both irrefutable and easily confirmed by reference to court records.)

        • OCservant_Leader

          What I do know is the assets taken from estates were used as a “slush” victory fund for the personal use of PA/PG management with no interference from BOS-CEO -Auditor- CoCo- DA for at least a decade. That’s what your hiding.

          When elders decline mentally – it becomes a nightmare for family and if they are up against a corrupt government officials – they lose everything. This is a travesty.

          • the714

            Now you sound like Michael Klubnikin. PG’s handling of the money in all cases is the subject of detailed and sworn accountings filed with the court, with copies sent to family members. They are reviewed by experienced court staff and other involved attorneys (like the Public Defender), and are approved by the court in a public hearing. PG is also regularly audited, and not just by County staff; the Social Security Administration audits them too. So it’s impossible that “assets were taken from estates” for any improper purpose as you claim.

            You are accusing someone of pretty serious malfeasance here. I call you out on it: Let’s hear some proof. Support your charge with details, case names, etc. Or concede that you are just spouting off on a topic you really know nothing about.

          • OCservant_Leader

            It was all well documented (a long time ago) on the Internet when the Board of Supes had to lock out that criminal PA/PG Administrator from his office because he was an elected. That guy was addicted to tax Dollars!

            If you weren’t around then – then do some digging. That scandal was comical. It was around the same time the Sheriff was being prosecuted and the Treasurer…I think they had to change the locks on him too.

            You are reporting how the system is supposed to work but in OC they are all in collusion. Thats the difference. Just check out the DA scandal. And oh the Court clerk scam?

            I believe the Feds are currently in town if you are wondering.

          • the714

            I was certainly around then, and I know exactly how it all happened – probably more than anyone. “Criminal” PA/PG? Be careful who you libel with careless charges like that. Here again, I call you out: use your trusty Internet to find any evidence of “criminal” actions by the PA/PG, as opposed to losing a political battle.

  • OCservant_Leader

    Klubnikin says some really funny stuff. He also makes some really good points pointing out the orchestrated BOS meetings.

    That free speech – public input stuff is such a drag to these supervisors!

    I’m so glad those meetings are video taped because what if it turns out the County did seize his old lady’s property? What a travesty that’s immortalized on the Internet! There is something fishy about the whole thing.

    Our DA has been committing high crimes and misdemeanors on the daily for decades and we know those OC Republicans are a tight knit group so how can we trust County Officals at all?

    • Cynthia Ward

      So seriously, NOBODY has looked into this?! WHY NOT?

      • OCservant_Leader

        Because it opens a can of worms of probably decades of malfeasance at PA/PG..and CoCo…and CEO and DA and Auditor…

        • John Claxton

          The PA PG would have spent every last dime of this estate had the BOS hadn’t got tired of Michaels rants at every single meeting. Come on Jimbo, let’s hear it ain’t so. Do Michaels attorneys know about the confidential files that PAPG gets to send the court and no body gets to see? It’s basically the PAPG gets to whisper I the judges ear “your honor, this Michael dude is gambling his mothers estate away. We need to step in now while there is still money left that we can get our hands on”. Then the judge (who gets paid in part by the county) rubber stamps all their requests “APPROVED”. And then the714 can come on here and post “there was nothing done illegally – it was all approved by the court.”

          • the714

            Citing facts to those who refuse to accept them is a losing battle, but I’ll keep fighting it: You simply have no idea what you are talking about. Mr. Klubnikin wasn’t exactly “gambling” his mother’s money away, he was losing it in the commodities market; he admitted this in court and deposition testimony. PG doesn’t send “confidential files” to the court, unless you mean the Confidential Supplemental Information form (Judicial Council form GC-312) that must be filed by the petitioner in all conservatorship cases, not just by PG. The idea that PG somehow “whispers” to a judge is a paranoid raving worthy of Mr. Klubnikin himself. John, as a former PG employee you know better than this; your bitterness is clouding your judgment.

          • John Claxton

            Nah, I was for a couple years. Now I see things as they are.