• Paul Lucas

    I hope this will help alleviate the anxiety for those who are complaining about the Kraemer site by taking some of the pressure off.

    • LFOldTimer

      My question is why go forward with Kraemer Place if they’re going to buy the bus depot? Fix the bus depot up and they could house 200 homeless there and give them hot meals every evening. Boy, they must be swimming in our tax dollars and not know what to do with it all. Before long they’ll have to cart the greenbacks off to the land fills since it’s taking up too much space at the Hall of Administration. ha.

      • Paul Lucas

        Like Iv’e said before, the Kraemer site is insufficient to meet th need. So is the Bus depot. So are both of them combined. Every municipality in OC needs one to meet their specific needs. From what i recall, the money that was set aside for mental health which was not being used and is stacking up unspent is what is being used to pay for this beyond the straight trade of real property.

        • LFOldTimer

          I appreciate your opinion, Paul. But it’s morally wrong to dump 200 plus homeless people on one neighborhood in the OC. It’s reprehensible. I live far far away from Kraemer Pl. But my heart goes out to the homeowners and business owners in the area. It’s going to devastate their property values and cause tremendous social disruption in their lives. It’s so incredibly wrong. There need to be about 30 or 40 10-bed shelters spread across the county. And yes, I would welcome one in my neigborhood too. I’m willing to do my share. But a 200 plus bed shelter in one neighborhood? That’s so absurd I can’t describe it in words. I’m ashamed to be a member of a County that would do such a thing.

          • Paul Lucas

            I dont know what to tell you dude. It has to start somewhere. If not there, the where? And if not now when? Take heart in the fact that this will actually work to expedite those shelters in each municipalities jurisdiction to serve their needs.

          • LFOldTimer

            “It has to start somewhere.”
            Start? ha. Some start. That’s analogous to dropping an atomic bomb on a mountain to prevent an avalanche. A 200 plus bed homeless shelter in an urban community is no ‘start’. It’s more like an invasion by a foreign army. A very uncivil thing to do while feigning to be a civilized society. The average residential property for 4 square blocks will fall in value by 30-40%. Business properties by even more. Really a dirty thing to do. What ever happened to ‘living by the golden rule’?

          • Paul Lucas

            Ok dude. Its quite obvious that you wont accept any sort of shelter no matter what, unless. You prescribe smaller shelters in all OC cities to alleviate the problem. ad you and I vboth know that is what you really want and we both also know that would NEVER happen in a million years to get all cities this county to agree all at once so your goal is to obfuscate the issue all together. Given that, Im assuming that, despite all your protestations to the contrary that you are a resident of Riverdale neighborhood and you just cant get over it. So Im gonna end this debate for good here and now.

          • LFOldTimer

            I wouldn’t know where “Riverdale neighborhood” was if you offered me $1 million dollars to point it out on a map. But nice try. I know it’s hard for you to imagine that a human still exists in the OC who believes in the Golden Rule. Despite your cynicism I’ll continue to feel empathy for who get screwed even though I don’t happen to fall into their unfortunate group. And I will continue to look for logical and practical solutions where we don’t have to screw a bunch of innocent home and business owners and then afterwards feel good about it. With that said, enjoy your evening.

  • LFOldTimer

    And what does the Navy have to say about the So OC Community College District land swap? Have they released any and all environmental interests in that land? Oh really? So where is the documented proof? VOC, could you find that signed document for us and post it? Is the County putting the cart before the horse here? I don’t think it’s possible to ‘fast-track’ a potential toxic waste dump. We don’t want animal guests at the animal shelter reproducing offspring with 3 heads, do we?