Curry: Trump is Not What Republicans Need

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As a lifelong Republican, one can only look at the Donald Trump phenomenon and be reminded of that old public service announcement: “This is your Party; this is your Party on Drugs.”

Not since the height of the Cold War has the world so desperately needed American leadership to destroy ISIS, assert stability into the Middle East and stop the almost unimaginable spread of modern day religious genocide, sexual slavery and totalitarian domination.

Instead, we are offered…clowns.

Trump is not a Conservative, either fiscal or social.

His entire career has been built on using the bankruptcy laws to evade his bills, stiff his creditors and renege on his obligations. His fortune has been built on crony tax abatements, public subsides, backroom deals with politicians (mostly Democrats), he brags about controlling through his contributions and ties to mobsters such as “Fat Tony” Salerno. He has supported raising taxes and the Canadian health care system.

He’s not a social conservative, he’s had more views on abortion than he’s had wives, and that’s a lot. By the way, two-thirds of his wives were immigrants. Proving perhaps we need immigrants to do the jobs Americans won’t do. Trump’s support comes from people who are mad at government. I get it. I’m mad too. But like our mothers used to tell us, when you get mad, take some time to cool down before you do something stupid. Voting for Donald Trump qualifies as something stupid.

For fifty years, Goldwater, Nixon, Reagan, Bush, and public intellectuals such as Bill Buckley and William Rusher, clearly articulated principles of how Conservatives should both govern and address issues important to everyday Americans. They have been replaced by media charlatans, bloggers and talking heads who have never been responsible for actually solving a problem for a constituent in their lives. Their only impetrative is to be as outrageous as possible to gain the highest ratings. Trump the entertainer is the logical result of this vacuum of leadership.

In reality, Trump is simply a misogynist, racist, egotistical clown, wholly unfit by any standard of experience, character, ethics or temperament to lead our nation. He has set forth a platform that is offensive not only to the values, ideals and principles of the Republican Party, but of our very nation itself. You cannot embrace the timeless protections and values of the United States Constitution, and at the same time, support the policies of Trump. The other Republican candidates are diminished by standing on the same stage as Trump.

He can’t win in November and he will destroy our party if he continues.

Radical Islamism is a danger to the civilized world. ISIS cannot be negotiated with, contained, or appeased. They will never have a mission at the United Nations and we as a nation can never tolerate a portion of the world where religious genocide, sexual slavery based on religion and barbarism are allowed to exist. There are estimated to be 40,000 ISIS fighters and they want to kill us. Our policy must be to kill them. All of them. As quickly as possible. Accomplishing this requires a candidate with the vision, stature, skill, courage and leadership to forge a worldwide coalition, including Muslim nations, and move quickly. George HW Bush did this in response to Kuwait.

Trump is incompetent to lead this fight.

He’s been denounced by our closest allies and he is such an embarrassment even the Israelis refuse to meet with him. Trump has shown himself to be ignorant of not only foreign and domestic policy, but the very ideals and principles on which our nation is founded. Neither America nor the world can afford his foolishness at this critical time in history.

Keith Curry is a Newport Beach City Councilman and the Director of the Center for Public Policy and Visiting Professor at Concordia University. The opinions are his and do not necessarily represent those of the Center or the University.

  • Jacki Livingston

    How sweet. Trump isn’t killing the GOP. He is exposing them for the hate mongering, women hating, intolerant bunch of jerks they have been since the Reagan years. I cannot stand Reagan, but even he would be disgusted by what the party has become. They are a disgrace to humanity and an embarrassment to the rest of the planet. Trump is just their good ol’ rich boy, saying out loud what the party has been doing for decades.

  • Philmore

    Clowns ? The greatest supply responds the greatest demand. Search YouTube for “Omnibus Budget Bill: Death of the GOP” and if the commentary annoys you (WAAAH!), then mute and just read the slides to see what’s happening under the noses of an American public too apathetic to do more than complain about what they don’t inform themselves about or try to understand, much less protest.

    • LFOldTimer

      Absolutely, Philmore. The Republicans sold us out again after we gave them the large majority in the House and the majority in the Senate. They’re all liars. No wonder Trump is far in the lead. The establishment Republicans are holding hands with the Democrats! ha. They’ve turned it into a one-party system. Time to throw them overboard at the voting pulls. Even the Tea Party was a fraud. They sold out too! They can’t buy Trump! He’s not for sale. But Keith Curry won’t tell you that. He wants you to elect another establishment traitor Republican so we continue to get more of the same! So they can continue to rob us blind. The Ombibus Budget Bill was just another ripoff and vote for social genocide in America. It’s true. Read the provisions. It makes me vomit!

      • Philmore

        FWIW, found this today (1-1/2 years too late ?)

        (OOps, Looks like links can’t be posted (?) (3 tries) search YouTube for ‘The Deep State” + Bill Moyers interview with ex-Congress staffer Mike Lofgren)

        • LFOldTimer

          Thanks, Philmore. I watched it. Good interview by Moyers. Lofgren pulled back a few curtains on what goes on behind the scenes. But there’s much more. Basically, it’s a merger of state and corporate powers. Very dangerous. And we’ve seen the results. Rights are being confiscated, the Constitution is being ignored and the gap between the rich and the poor is widening rapidly. If you want to see a good documentary on the Wall Street meltdown spend a little time – just over an hour – and watch “Inside Job”. It’s old – but it details how both the Clinton and Bush adminstrations set us up for the big fall. They should do a part 2 and include Obama too. He’s one of Wall Street’s biggest fans. Why do you think he promoted ‘Quantitative Easing’ so strongly? To feed the Too Big To Fail banks. Much more money is concentrated in fewer banks that run the global economy today than in 2007. How do you think that will work out?

  • jeffrey miller

    I love seeing liberals and establishment republicans squirm! Go Trump! #makeamericagreatagain

    • Jacki Livingston

      You have got to be freaking kidding me. We aren’t squirming. We are facepalming and laughing at the end of the GOP. Thus, in that regard? He will make America great again….by ridding us of the racist hate group known as the GOP.

  • Smoking is cool!

    Fellas, please calm down. Don’t be so afraid. ISIL is a small group surrounded by enemies. It is repulsive and dangerous but it not a threat to the US or western civilization, not by a long shot. Bathtubs kill more people every year here, not to mention white guys with guns. We need a calm reflective president who knows that another decade or two of war in the middle east will solve none of our problems. Yes it’s an easy issue to frighten the populace with remarks about WW3 and other inflammatory rhetoric, but amping up our presence will in simply dig us in deeper. Freaking out is not the answer, it is what they want you to do.

    • LFOldTimer

      Haven’t you heard Hillary’s position on US military intervention? For God sakes, she was a driving force behind the invasion of Libya and the assassination of Ghaddafi! ha. She was like the female version of Audie Murphy!! ha. She’s never seen a drone attack that she didn’t love. She was the driving force behind illegally bombing Syria! We never had international permission to launch bombing raids on Syria by the United Nations. Hillary has blood driping off her fingernails! She makes Trump look like Jane Fonda! ha.

  • LFOldTimer

    Love him or hate him, you have to admit that Trump is a very smart man. Very clever. He’s always been high profile. Many interactions with thousands of people. Surrounded by money and gorgeous women. Always under a microscope (for decades). Probably tempted at times to get involved in the underworld. Very easy for him to fall into that God-like persona trap. But if you listen to him Donald is actually very down to earth and matter of fact. If you didn’t know him and talked to him in a pair of jeans and a wool shirt – you would probably guess that he was a professional man – but never a multi-billionaire. But it’s amazing that these political barracuda and spitting snakes who follow him around can’t find a particle of dirt on such a worldly man to threaten his POTUS run. Whatever they say he just shakes off and continues to rise in the polls. No wonder the GOP lackeys and bucket boys hate him. Trump has proven to be indestructable and has challenged the routine ‘pay to play’ political system that the Republicans have mastered for the last 20 odd years. No wonder the GOP establishment is scared poopless 😉

    • LookAtMe -I-am-ur-captain

      Yes his support among a small portion of the electorate is growing…but he has no ideas worth implementing…everything is a one liner…Much to your liking the GOP is going thru a major class war fare (the elite rich donors and the low income, high school grad level white middle aged men) – He will for sure wreck your party and then what?
      You must know this country’s demographics are changing with more minorities and immigrants becoming voters and his supporters are clinging to him as the messiah but he really doesn’t care for them.

      • LFOldTimer

        It’s not my Party. I’m no Republican. Nor am I a democrat. I couldn’t look myself in the mirror in the morning if I were either. Trump tells the truth about lots of subject matter. People, in general, hate the truth in this era of deception. The truth scares people. And with declining truth you’ve seen how the Nation has declined in proportion. Trump scares you because the truth scares you. Deal with it.

  • LFOldTimer

    Oh, and would someone please remind Keith that we created ISIS? ha. ISIS didn’t even exist until we created an unstable Iraq by taking out Saddam based on WMD lies, thus manufacturing a power vaccum filled by ISIS after they stole all the vehicles, weapons and armaments we (America) supplied to the Iraqi army, then following our departure from Iraq the Iraqi army retreated upon hearing the first gunshots! The rest is history! ha. It’s as if Keith is reading us selective stories taken from the Bush Bros fairy tales. ha. He must think we just graduated from 3rd grade. 🙂

  • David Zenger

    “By the way, two-thirds of his wives were immigrants. Proving perhaps we need immigrants to do the jobs Americans won’t do.”

    Okay, that’s pretty funny.

    • LFOldTimer

      All legal immigrants, btw. American women would line up from Los Angeles to New York for a shot at putting on a Donald Trump wedding ring. So I have no idea who Keith is trying to fool. His opinion piece is just full of unwarranted venom. I wonder who’s campaign he’s working for? 🙂

      • LookAtMe -I-am-ur-captain

        legal by marrying him 🙂 LOL! green card weddings.

        • LFOldTimer

          Gee, most of you liberals love foreigners unless they happen to marry Donald Trump. Isn’t that special? 🙂

          • Jacki Livingston

            Hey, I have no problem with them, myself. But being a soft core model and film star in Russia does not qualify a woman to be First Lady of the United States, We have had a mixed bag of Presidents, but we have a solid history of great FLOTUS ladies who made their mark. I don’t think Mrs. Trump qualifies, unless Russian soft core brides is suddenly a hot button issue? Can you imagine what she can talk about with the world leaders? Wonderbras? What a sad joke.

          • LFOldTimer

            We’ve had First Ladies who couldn’t walk and chew gum at the same time. The only qualification to be a First Lady is to hook the guy who gets elected President. No entrance exam required. But the height of arrogance was for Hillary to call Trump a sexist considering the history of the guy she’s married to! ha. She’s not too smart to leave herself that wide open. And Trump took advantage of it (again). Watch his poll numbers rise for the umpteenth time.

          • Jacki Livingston

            He would be a disaster as President, and we would be at war in the first year. The last century of first ladies have done a fairly good job, and it is a job. They just don’t get paid for it. Everyone acts like Clinton was the first POTUS and he wasn’t. Bush, Sr had a mistress. She isn’t my first choice. But Sanders probably cannot win.

          • LFOldTimer

            How many wars has Obama started or perpetuated since he’s been in office? Libya? Syria? Then when he pulled out of Iraq the terrorists took over and now we have to send our troops back in again. Smart. And it appears we’ll remain in Afghanistatn for decades to come. That was Obama’s decision, btw. You don’t think Hillary is a warmonger? ha. Ever heard of Libya? Syria? Hillary was all-in on both of those invasions, as a Senator and as Secretary of State. So before you point your finger at Trump look at the track record of the leading democrats. All of us must look at the raw facts and deal with the truth if we intend to put our beloved nation back on the right track. If we just point fingers at the other guy from the opposing Party we are perpetuating failure and in the end deserve exactly wat we get. And it’s very true about Hillary accusing Trump of being a sexist when she’s married to perhaps the biggest lecher who ever walked the streets of Capital Hill.

          • Jacki Livingston

            From what I see, Obama has spent most of his Presidency cleaning up the mess that Bush left. Hillary Clinton is not my first choice, but she is ten times better than all of the GOP clown car occupants combined. The simple fact is that the GOP lost it’s class and stature. Trump will destroy the party. It’s what he does best…destroy…and that is a shame, because the GOP used to have some fine leaders.

          • LFOldTimer

            Jackie, I appreciate your opinion but I beg to disagree. Obama didn’t clean up jack. He only made it worse. The terrorists have taken over major cities in Iraq. This is a result of Obama’s premature pullout. The Taliban are capturing more Afghani towns and posing huge problems in that country after we’ve occupied it for over a decade. Terrorists are now running Libya. He’s waged an illegal war on Syria that has produced millions of Syrian refugees who are now being dumped on western nations, including the U.S. Russia is now involved in Syria which has heightened the chances of a nuclear war. Hope and Change was a fraudulent fantasy. America is in a much weaker state today than when Obama took office, particularly with the massive Federal debtload that has essentially doubled since Obama moved into the White House. Hillary should be facing a Judge in Federal court and pleading to charges of ‘Obstruction of Justice’ and illegally disseminating classified material from her home server. Trust me, if a commoner with a security clearance pulled that stunt he’s be knocking on Leavensworth’s front door. I’ve seen people punished severely for much less. I wouldn’t vote for Hillary to run the local bingo parlor. She’s untrustworthy.

          • Jacki Livingston

            So, putting aside that I disagree with a lot of what you are saying, answer me this…who? You cannot, with a straight face, believe that Donald Trump has the qualifications or ethics to be POTUS. So who does that leave? A TV preacher? Another Bush? The fact is, the GOP has not had a true statesman in its ranks since Colin Powell. We have way too many career politicians but precious few statesmen.

          • LFOldTimer

            When were ‘ethics’ ever a requirement to become the POTUS? ha. Are we talking about the same country? ha. Trump’s qualifications outshine our last 8 President’s by light years. Obama couldn’t negotiate his way out of a wet paper bag! ha. The qualification that Trump has that sold me is that HE CAN’T BE BOUGHT! That HE’S NOT FOR SALE! Case closed!

          • Jacki Livingston

            He can’t be bought? That makes him Presidential? I saw a purple paisley sweater with pom poms on in in the bargain basket at Sears, for a dollar, and no one was buying it. If no one wants to buy something, that doesn’t mean they can’t be bought, it means that it is unwanted. Let’s face it, Trump has been a late night toupee joke for thirty years. Go watch the documentary about his behavior in Scotland with his boondoggle golf course. The guy is a real piece of work.

          • LFOldTimer

            On the topic of politics you strike me as very closed minded, Jackie. You seem have your set agenda and rigorously adhere to it, regardless of whether the facts dictate otherwise. Not much different from most other Americans. Oh btw, that’s not a put-down. Just an observation. Many of your points on other matters here at VOC are quite valid and sensible. My question to you is what good has come from electing the same old establishment politicians over and over again? Can’t you see that we’ve gone from bad to worse by electing establishment Republicans or establishment Democrats year after year? It’s become a one-Party system while the little people bicker among ourselves over which Party is best. All the while the rich get richer and the poor get poorer regardless of which Party has the majority? ha. Come on…they’re playing us for fools. It’s time to elect a non-establishment President for any chance at change. Otherwise you only get more status-quo which is a one way road to disaster. You think Hillary Clinton is non-establishment? ha. Bernie Sanders? ha. You might as well elect Obama for a 3rd term. Obama is one of the biggest hypocrites to ever walk the halls of the Oval Office. Nobel Peace Prize recipient who loves dropping illegal bombs on other sovereign nations and droning children occupied schools in the war on terror! ha. A guy who was going to take down the fat-cats on Wall Street who’s deeper in Wall Street’s pockets than George W. Bush! ha. Obama conned the American people. A significant number of black Americans are now supporting Trump after being flim-flammed by Obama. Blacks are poorer today than they were when Obama took office. There are more black males in prison today than when Obama took office. Unless we as a People take a different path we’re going to get more of the same. Think NON-ESTABLISHMENT!

          • Jacki Livingston

            When I think non-establishment, it will not be Trump. Trump is a POS, always has been, always will be, You can judge a man’s character by the way he treats his women and children, and in that regard, Trump fails…miserably. I will say one thing for the Obamas. Their kids are well behaved and respectful. They are not out drinking and carousing, like so many past kids of the White House. And Obama did not create the poverty and imprisonment of blacks, and it is unreasonable to expect anyone, any president, to turn that around in eight years. He has done good things, and some not so good. History will judge him as it does the others. But I have never seen a President who had to face such unreasonable opposition on everything in a treasonous Congress, and that is due to his race, and history will judge that, too.

          • LFOldTimer

            The last thing we need in the White House is another deep-in-the-pockets bureaucrat like Hillary. Go look at her major contributors. All Wall Street sugar daddies – just like Obama. Obama the Nobel Peace Prize laureate who has an affinity for droning schools and hospitals full of little children in Pakistan and Afghanistan. And Bill Clinton is nothing but an old lying lecher who’s responsible for comedians renaming the ‘Oval Office’ the ‘Oral Office’. You want him staining the White House carpets again? Nobody can own Trump like all the rest. He tells the Wall Street pigs to stuff it when they show up at his front door with $5 million stuffed in an envelope. The last person we need in the White House is another floosie who dives for dollars. That’s a major reason for our declining empire. Everyone except for you agrees that Donald Trump is about as politically anti-establishment as a candidate could get. I guess you haven’t been watching the same GOP debates as the rest of us. But if you want to vote for Hillary or for another floosie who will sell us out at the drop of a hat – that’s your right as an American. Just like with Obama – be careful what you wish for!

  • LFOldTimer

    Keith, why don’t you tell us who you support in the Republican GOP race for POTUS instead of just dumping on Trump? Let’s start from there and move forward. Fair enough? Or is this just a trash and burn campaign on your part?

  • Diego Vega

    Mr. Curry,

    1) Killing enemy fighters is a tactic, not a policy.

    2) How will this mythical leader you desire correctly identify 40,000 individuals who are fully enmeshed in civilian population centers over thousands of square miles, using civilians as human shields? Contrary to Fox News, carpet bombing is not a good tactic. What is your proposal?

  • RyanCantor

    “Instead, we are offered…clowns.”

    Perfectly stated.

  • LFOldTimer

    Keith, obviously you aren’t watching the same GOP presidential debates and campaigns that I am. Trump is the ONLY fiscal and social conservative on the stage. He represents what the Repulican Party represented until about 20 years ago when it went sideways and I left. Who is your candidate of choice? Jebbers? ha. Now there’s a piece of work who isn’t qualified to manage a koolaide stand let alone a country. Even the Floridians where he was governor hate him! ha. Trump leads both Jebbers and Rubio (a State Senator in Florida) in the Florida polls! ha. So your opinion piece strikes me as sour grapes. The likely Republican voters favor Trump by a longshot – like it or lump it. No matter what Trump says his poll numbers go up! I suggest that you support Trump – otherwise the Hillary beast (“What difference does it make?”) and her floosie flirtatious husband will move back into the White House? Is that what you want? ha! Be careful what you wish for!

    • KenCoop

      I’ll take the Clinton years over both the Bush presidencies any time. A third Bush presidency would be yet another disaster.

      • LFOldTimer

        Hillary would be a total disaster. She openly lied about the motive for the murders of the Benghazi ambassador, et al. . She blamed it on an amateur film producer from L.A. when she knew that was a concocted story. There are emails from her to her daughter and others that proved it was a lie. And the poor man went to jail. How many others would she frame as President? Is that the person you want in the White House? And what about all the millions of dollars donated to the Clinton Foundation by rogue enemy nations while she was Secretary of State? How much does that smell? Who else will she sell out to? Oh, and apparently as Secretary of State she couldn’t tell the difference between a classified and non-classified document unless it was covered with red ink! ha. An E-2 in the US Army with a secret clearance can distinguish between a classifed and non-classified document with his eyes closed. ha. Hillary is a danger to the nation. She’s a loose cannon. It’s a tossup between her and Jeb. But as much as I hate Jeb I’d give him the benefit of the doubt in that matchup. It’s like having to choose between Frankenstein and Dracula.

        • KenCoop

          None of which changes the fact that we as a nation were far better off after a Clinton presidency than a Bush presidency. Your idiotic claims about Benghazi have been debunked so many times it boggles the mind that anyone still believes them. I shouldn’t be surprised given the current state of the conservative psyche. An 11 hour grilling didn’t prove that claim, yet you still cling to it.

          • LFOldTimer

            Those aren’t my claims. They’re facts. Before Hillary blamed the amateur film producer of provoking the Benghazi murders she emailed her daughter and others that the anti-Muslim film had nothing to do with the attacks. The emails were made public. Do your research. Oh, and the film producer was actually jailed. And, of course, the multi-million dollar rogue nation donations to the Clinton Foundation while Hillary was SoS and the classified documents that she hoarded on her home server as SoS are undisputable facts. If Trump committed such acts I would drop him like a hot potato. I laugh at the loyal dems who stand by Hillary regardless of her despicable and anti-american acts.

          • KenCoop

            Couldn’t care less about the idiot Benghazi claims. I stand by my claim that we as a nation were far better off after a Clinton presidency than any of the Bush years.

            I also couldn’t care less about the Clinton Foundation, email servers, or any of the other tin foil hat claims.

            I laugh at the idiot Reeps who see lone gunmen behind every grassy knoll regardless of the ridiculousness of their claims while exhibiting situational patriotism.

          • LFOldTimer

            “I also couldn’t care less about the Clinton Foundation, email servers, or any of the other tin foil hat claims”
            Then you’re in denial. All are serious matters that should eliminate Hillary as a Presidential candidate, let alone as a nominee!
            Oh, and do remember the dot com crash under Clinton? That was totally avoidable. Clinton as as big a supporter of Wall Street as was Bush. Hillary evern moreso. Look at where her campaign money comes from! The big banks love her!!!

          • KenCoop

            The only one in denial is you spouting your idiot claims. The Clintons are arguably two of the most investigated individuals ever in our nation’s history. Yet nothing is ever found to be illegal.

            Except to the tin foil crowd who keeps bleating the same scurrilous talking points over and over.

            Please detail for us how the dot com bubble was avoidable? Should the government have interfered in the marketplace? Something that is supposedly conservatives abhor.

            I’ll take the dot com bubble that burst during the Clinton years over the housing and financial bubbles that burst during the Bush years any day.

            Please proceeed LF. This is great fodder for my mid afternoon.

          • LFOldTimer

            “Yet nothing is ever found to be illegal”
            Not even a lawyer lying under sworn oath? (definition of “is”). Why do you think his law license was suspended? For eating crackers in bed? ha. How about wiping a hard drive clean once she knew she was under investigation for storing classified docs on a home server? I think that might be called “obstruction of justice”? And lying about a security matter involving the murder of a US official in a foreign land? Again, Hillary advised her daughter and others via email that the Benghazi attack had nothing to do wiht the film producer before she accused the film producer of provoking the attack. And accepting millions from rogue nations while SOS? ha. More facts. You really want that leading the country? ha. Just because she wasn’t charged (likely due to her name and status) doesn’t mean she didn’t commit crimes. Lying certainly seems to run in their family. Looks like you’re tied to the hip of the democrat party. So nothing I could say would alter your opinion anyway. 🙂

          • KenCoop

            Yet criminal charges are never brought. I always enjoy reading the rantings of message board lawyers.

            Please continue. Regardless of your idiot claims she is better than any of the alternatives.

          • LFOldTimer

            “Yet criminal charges are never brought”
            Gee. I wonder why? ha. If you got caught in a material lie on the stand while under sworn oath – what do you think would happen to you? Do you agree that the Clintons should be held to a lower standard due to their celebrity and political status? If you do, you’re not really a person who believes in American values. My barber would make a better President than Hillary Clinton. You act as if we have no other choices in a nation of 320 million people! ha. Why not just admit that the system is rigged and leave it at that? Regardless of the facts, you would never support a candidate who’s not a democrat. Just admit it. You’re a Party guy, when it comes to politics. Fess up. Me? I choose the best candidate regardless of Party affiliation.

          • KenCoop

            I don’t deal in hypotheticals. I have no idea what would happen to me.

            I do know she is better than any of the current GOP alternatives.

          • LFOldTimer

            “I do know she is better than any of the current GOP alternatives”
            That’s one of the most laughable comments I’ve read in a long time. IS she going to reverse Obama’s motto: From ‘hope and change’ to ‘change and hope’? ha. Hillary would be America’s final nail in the coffin. If she ever enters the White House she’ll not only be the first female President, she’ll also be America’s final President. Imagine Hillary in the Situation Room screaming at Bill as the banks go on holiday and the Russians invade from the east and the Chinese from the west.

          • KenCoop

            More blabbering from planet wingnuttia.

            Have a good evening.

          • LFOldTimer

            You’ll come around. Mr. Coop. Eventually. It just takes longer for some than others. Once the dominos start to fall you won’t be able to switch sides fast enough. It’s a real shocker to suddenly realize that the whole time the emperor was naked. After the rose-colored glasses come off, that is. Once you get over the initial shock you can start making a difference. It’s never too late.

          • KenCoop

            Come around to what? Being a bitter old man barking at the moon and ranting tin foil hat conspiracies like you? NO THANKS!!

          • LFOldTimer

            You’ll figure it out sooner or later, Mr. Coop. Probably later. But that’s okay. Better later than never. I bet you were a big Obama fan back in 2008 too, weren’t ya? ha. Have you received your Notice of Health Care Insurance Premium Increase for 2016 yet? How much? 15%? ha. Did you get to keep your doctor if you liked him? ha. How much are your annual premiums? $13,000? And what is your deductible? $7,000? Merry Christmas, Mr. Coop. Stay healthy! 🙂

          • KenCoop

            Figured it out long ago. I still am an Obama fan. You blame him for your healthcare premium spike. That is so cute. It only proves how clueless you are in this matter. You must have missed Anthem buying Cigna for $48B. Where do you think they got the cash to make that offer. In addition to paying many of their execs seven and eight digit salaries. That group is more than happy to accept your tacit help in blaming someone else.

            You’ll figure it out sooner or later OldTimer. Or not. I’m betting not. You’re really not smart enough to know your stupid.

          • LFOldTimer

            I guess you didn’t hear. Cigna is departing Obamacare. ha. Cigna is the 1st domino to fall. It will only get worse from here on in. We commoners realized from the start tht Obamacare was a failure. You’ll catch up with time. How much is you deductble, Mr. Coop? $6k? $8k? $10k? ha. Remember when Obama told us that we’d save $2500 w/ Obamacare. ha. And you’re still an Obama fan? ha. Makes sense based on all your other opinions. ha. Be sure to eat your peas in 2016 so you stay healthy and don’t get sick! ha.

          • KenCoop

            Have you been diagnosed with ADHD? You completely missed the point that a correlation exists between the rate hikes you cite and a company’s ability to make a cash offer of over $40B for another.

            You are standing at the dock looking for minnows while the whales swim passed.

            Reinforcing my earlier premise that you are not even smart enough to know you’re stupid.

          • LookAtMe -I-am-ur-captain

            @LFOldTimer:disqus is a troll. just ignore him…he is probably falls in to that rubric of low educated trump followers

          • KenCoop

            I recognize the typical RWNJ mindset. Can’t stay focused and constantly whining. Always trying to change the subject with a statement that is completely unrelated to the topic. With the usual tin foil hat nonsense thrown in for good measure.

          • LFOldTimer

            The truth is painful, isn’t it Captain Koolaide? 🙂

          • LFOldTimer

            All the experts say that Obamacare is a failure and cannot survive. The funniest thing is that Obama called it the “Affordable Care Act” as annual premiums and deductibles are going up 12%-20%. ha. You should make a date with the Captain tonight and share a gallon of cherry koolaide! ha! 🙂

          • KenCoop

            Still not the point. Proving you are not smart enough to know you’re stupid.

          • LFOldTimer

            Stupid is baked in the cake with you. Your comments are so stupid they’re silly. It’s as silly as watching an old Marx Bros film or Ed Norton on the Honeymooners. Stupid is oftentimes funny. Thanks for the laughs. Merry Christmas

          • KenCoop

            To paraphrase the 12th Night.

            Some people are born stupid, Some people achieve stupidity. Some people have stupidity thrust upon them.

            With you, it’s a case of all three.

            See you around.

          • LFOldTimer

            Thanks for continuing to read my comments and responding so quickly. I must have you sitting on the edge of your chair waiting for my next comment. Another symptom of stoopidity for which there is really no cure. While not fatal, it follows you from cradle to grave! Merry Christmas. Visit the zoo over the holidays. You’ll get a kick out of it. 🙂

          • KenCoop

            No sweat. I came to the conclusion long ago that simple minded fools line yourself provide a needed service. Providing insight into the inner workings of the RWNJ thought (or lack thereof) mindset.

            You haven’t disappointed in that regard.

          • LFOldTimer

            Are you going to campaign for Hillary in your neighborhood? If a neighbor asks you about servergate or Benghazigate just use the pat answer: “At this point what difference does it make?”. And be sure to say it with passion and some aggravation in your voice. That should give you some credibility and you’ll win them over! ha 🙂 🙂

          • KenCoop

            It’s obvious your Ritalin is wearing off. Coupled with your RWNJ natural stupidity and there is no reason to continue any dialogue.

            Have a good one. We’ll do this again when I want to know the current thought process of the tin foil hat crowd/lunatic fringe.

          • LFOldTimer

            Fair enough. Say “hi” to Ralph Kramden and Alice for me, won’t you? Have fun at the Moose Lodge over the holidays.

          • Philmore

            “Honeymooners” reruns are on too late for me and the DVR is shot. Perhaps if you have a few hours, search YouTube for a 5-part series, “Deep State Counterintelligence”. FWIW.

          • LFOldTimer

            “Please detail for us how the dot com bubble was avoidable?”
            For starters how about Clinton approving the repeal of Glass-Steagall? Afterall, he was very tight with Wall Street. Basically, their puppet on a string. Just like Obama. Go read about it. It’s well documented. Not making any excuses for GW Bush either. He was just as bad as the 2 aforementioned

          • KenCoop

            Hahaha……yes, he should have had the prerequisite crystal ball so he could foresee banks creating CDS, MBS, and all the other financial instruments they used while turning the housing into a Ponzi scheme with negative amortization loans. If that were the case why did that idiot GOP Senator Gramm even bring up the idea?

            When in a hole the first rule is to quit digging.

          • LFOldTimer

            Clinton knew the outcome. He just didn’t care. He was too deep into the pockets of Wall Street. Hillary is even deeper in their pockets. Did you see all the dems vote for the Omnibus Bill and pass it in the House and Senate? ha. It was written by Wall Street. ha. Lots more pork for the banksters. Dems love to dish out pork. Even when we’re saturated in debt. All of them know exactly what they do. They know the damage they cause. They just don’t care. The moneys just too darn good.

          • KenCoop

            More tin foil hat conspiracy theory. If it was so well known why did it pass a GOP majority in both houses of congress? Or is this an admission the GOP doesn’t care about anyone except Wall St. Please continue.

            This just gets better and better.

          • LFOldTimer

            Look, when it comes to Wall Street both major parties are in it up to their necks. To think the dems are anti-Wall Street is one of the most pubescent and naive thought patterns that I could possibly imagine. In 2008 Goldman Sachs donated about $1M to Obama’s campaign after he told us that he wouldn’t take any Wall Street money! ha. Now they’re stuffing Hillary’s purse! ha. If you want to save your nation you need to snap out of the fantasy that the dems will save us. You need to understand that we live under a one-party system. Just 2 sides of the same coin. You need to vote for the most anti-establishment candidates on the ticket. If the candidate is despised by the mainstream dems or pubs he or she’s a keeper! Don’t forget that!

          • David Zenger

            A lot of the Dems are in denial about ClintonCo. It is hardly any different than BushCo. Bill caught a break with Greenspan’s cheap money policies.

          • LFOldTimer

            The Dot Com crash was willfully created just like the 2008 meltdown. They depend upon bubble economies to keep the GDP in positive territory. Manufacturing was exported overseas. It worked last time because they were able to print money and increase debt w/o pushing the entire financial system off the cliff. It won’t work next time. No bailout reserves left. And adding another $10 trillion to the Federal debt in 8 years would ignite a hyperinflationary episode that would make a Japanese horror flick look like ‘Bambi Visits Snow White’. How will the Feds service the debt in an environment of rising intrest rates? Do the simple math. It just doesn’t compute. No idea how long it will take. 3 years…5 years…10 years? Don’t know. I’m not Nostradamus. But when it hits it’ll be irreversible. No lifeboats or life jackets. Everybody will be on his or her own.

          • cynthia curran

            Hey, factory worked is not that great paying. There are many factory jobs in OC done mainly by Latinos that pay only 9 to 12 an hour.So, why get so upset about that. Most factory workers are not machinists they are low skilled assembly and warehouse workers even a machinists in Orange county only make 47,000. You make more money selling real estate. In Orange County 47,000 a year means you rent or can only afford a tiny condo or mobile home.

          • LFOldTimer

            I have no idea what your point has to do with my comment. I was explaining the government bezzle that’s going to eventually bring the entire economy down. What’s that got to do with machinists? You lost me.