• OCservant_Leader

    Political appointees serve at the pleasure of those in power. Thats the way nepotism works. I don’t understand the ex-mayor’s son’s claim?

    • BeeBee.BeeLeaves

      It’s that entitlement affliction. You, me, we owe him. Never mind the unfairness and the grief his hirings have cost so many. Cost poppa 15 crucial votes.

  • BeeBee.BeeLeaves

    With all due respect to everyone yaying or naying a fireguy/gal career choice …

    Fact of the matter is that in the city of Garden Grove, 490 applicants were turned away, 500 applications accepted, I believe. Of the 10 hired, 1 was connected to the mayor and had issues. Doubts were raised. People, in city hall payroll, and outside of city hall, the people who roll in the pay for all these folks involved, those silly residents, the cash in compliant taxpayers and voters, questioned this hire specifically, well as the integrity of all involved. The city’s director of human resources dashed away as fast as he could when the drama started. Buh-bye. The door hit him where the Good Lord split him.

    And now the city faces a one.million.dollar lawsuit. This, after over a year of paying workers comp because life during wartime is stressful.

    • LFOldTimer

      I bet if you did a background on the other 9 GG FF hirees a fair number would have important inside political or FF connections. These jobs pay a compensation of $250,000 and all you need is a high school degree to apply! Retirement at 50-55 with multi-million dollar pensons! 2-day work weeks! Paid for sleeping, going to the gym, watching tube, etc…! What’s not to love about that? Nepotism is probably widespread throughout the system! Do you ever notice that when there’s a media report on a FF that he happens to be from a long line of family FF’s…dads., uncles, brothers, etc??? ha.

      • BeeBee.BeeLeaves

        City hall currently employs 117 nepotism connections. This does not include staffers who got their family members in and then retired. Those are not on the nepotism list.

        Like many city budgets, I hear, GG also allots 70%+ to fire and police. The remaining 30% is splite, to be shared, between the rest of the city hall-ers and the community’s needs. Guess who the serfs are? For decades. This modus operandi.

        We have hope when we vote. But if they are good, or well intended, they choose to leave before change can evrn take hold. Call us Spring Board, California. So many politicos came, sat for a bit and left. The so called loyal ones, stay, get great perk or war chest deals from the great big companies that take our land and our civic servants, serpents, then serve their own personal fortunes. I can name names starting in the 80s when those folks started to collude to manipulate and maneuver redevelopment funds for the chosen few at the greater good’s expense. Constituents, be damned. And it has been a damnation. This JB deal is the tip of the iceberg. Or the volcano finally spewing. And it all really began after WW1 when the people who farmed the land here, who fed the country, were jacked, hijacked off, their farms.

        Sad.State.Of.Affairs.
        Garden Grove deserves better.
        Do no harm. Such a simple but obviously elusive thing for many government entities and their workers to simply do.

        As if ruining the future for others is the right thing to do. Whacked.

  • InTheKnow

    All of your excuses are based on the 24 hour schedule when in fact there is no viable justification for it. Police, border patrol, TSA, sewer and water departments all have 24 hour operations but none of their employees work a 24 hour shift. Firefighters do it so they can accumulate massive amounts of overtime, work a couple days a week, and get paid to eat, sleep, shop, work out and watch tv. Private paramedic firms could respond to medical calls for a fraction of the cost but the politicians don’t have the backbone to institute such reforms because of the political clout and the public relation machines of the firefighter unions. Our heroes! Give me a break! Cops and the neighbors are the first one’s on the scene in the rare event there is a residential fire.

  • BeeBee.BeeLeaves

    Crrrrrrazy-a Karma, ya did it again! For years, the young turks in the chosen few circle would appease the people who employed them over others based on high school, church or compadre relations by chronically harassing, citing, putting the thumb and using malicious and willfull misconduct to screw over residents who were in the way, who voiced things that should not be said out loud, or who power mongers did not want heard, or around.

    Trial! Discovery. Lots of it.

    All residents that suffered at the hands of the associated (“My husband went to high school with the mayor’s son”) c’mon down. Bring in the homeless guy that was punched in the face at Harbor Basin. The candidates whose campaign signs were taken. The judge who does not tolerate belligerence in his court room. On and on …

    Quite some nerve.

  • astar2b

    Is that how it works? Get hired, then sue for $1M?

    • BeeBee.BeeLeaves

      Yes. If your dad was the mayor. Duh.

  • LFOldTimer

    Let the truth emerge.

    It will be interesting to learn whether the evidence says the initial hiring process was a fair and impartial process or whether strings were pulled.

    I sure hope the City of Garden Grove takes this all the way to trial. It may give the people a glimpse of what goes on amongst the political hierarchy in the smoked filled rooms.

    This was certainly an interesting read:

    “Batallion Chief Paul Whitaker’s wife Lucia is a fiscal analyst for the fire department. Two fire captains -Alberto Acosta and Justin Truhill — are brothers-in-law, while firefighters Travis and Shane Mellem are blood brothers.”

    There seems to be a lot of family ties in unionized firefighter jobs that pay average comps in the mid $200,000 range with no college degree requirement. 🙂

    A few years ago the L.A. Fire Dept. got caught rigging the testing system so that friends and relatives would get hired. 🙂

    With a 2 day work week, having the luxury of sleeping on the job and being paid for it and retirement at 50-55 with multi-million dollar pensions – no wonder there are thousands of apps per job opening. Who wouldn’t love a gig like that? Where do I sign up?

    • Mimi Kang

      Yea I don’t know where you get your information from buddy. But they work 24 hour shifts. Which is 72-84 hours a week with zero sleep because 911 has become idiots taxi service. You should be grateful they exist. Who you gonna call if you have a heart attack? Ghost busters?!!? Ya jerk!

      • LFOldTimer

        They don’t sleep? ha. Sure they don’t. They stay awake for 2 days watching tube, playing cards and having BBQ’s at the station. It’s like living at a fraternity.
        I know they grocery shop. I see 5 or 6 of them walking up and down the aisles together in uniform all the time. Why do we have over a million dollars worth of firefighters shopping at Ralphs?
        I see them all the time at the gym playing b-ball and working out on county time with a big red truck parked outside. If they only work 2 days they have the other 5 days of the week to work out on their own time. Why work out on our time?
        Nice gig tho. Again, no wonder there are thousands of apps for each opening.
        If I have a heart attack I’ve got about a 4 minute window for survival. It generally takes the FD 10 minutes to show up. So I’m dead anyway.
        Dipwad.

        • Jmfiamengo

          Here’s to hoping you or your family never need to call 911 pal

          • LFOldTimer

            If the system wasn’t rigged private businesses would provide EMS and fire service at a third of the cost we spend on government fire and medic services.

            High school grads paid like medical doctors.

            A farce.

          • Jmfiamengo

            Its sad that regardless of how you feel about firemen, when you call on them one day they will still have to respond to your call and work on you to save your life. They shouldn’t have to pause their grocery shopping time (because they do eat while on their 24 hour shift) to help a person that doesn’t respect them.

          • We should definitely privatize prisons too and make sure they are profitable!
            Oh wait…we already did that. Look how great that’s working out.

          • LFOldTimer

            Why is that?

            If taxpayer complains that high-school educated FF’s shouldn’t be compensated like a surgeon with a dozen years of college and training – do they let him die?

            Are you insinuating something?

          • Jmfiamengo

            Come on, you think you are a bright bulb here, go ahead and answer that question yourself.

            My husband had 7 end calls after midnight last night and therefore did not sleep. He came home today and needed rest, taking away from his time with me and his three children. We got the evenin with him and he will be out the door by 4:45am to do it all again tomorrow. I’m sorry you have a problem with firefighters, it’s a shame you can’t at least be respectful.

          • LFOldTimer

            No problem with FF’s. A big problem with being strong-armed and forced to pay absurd compensations to people for a job that doesn’t even require a high-school degree (a GED will do!)

          • Jmfiamengo

            It just requires putting your life on the line to save people you’ve never met or that might not even want saving.

          • LFOldTimer

            Putting their lives on the line? When’s the last time an OC FF lost his life in the line of duty in the last 15 years? I can’t recall even one. Tree pruners and taxi drivers have more dangerous jobs than FF’s. FF’s don’t even fall in the top 10 most dangerous jobs in America. So please, don’t play the danger card. Not buying it.

          • Jmfiamengo

            I don’t know anything about oc fire but I do know about la city fire and I know that every time my husband goes to work there is a possibility he won’t come home. I know that he goes into burning structures that are old and unsafe and he goes into burning high rises. I don’t care what you “buy” or not because at the end of the day it doesn’t matter. You and I come from different worlds and different ways of thinking so it’s time we end this conversation that changes nothing for either one of us, old timer, clearly.

          • LFOldTimer

            Everytime my wife jumps in the car and drives the freeways to Los Angeles I know there’s a possibility she won’t come home. Those are the risks we take in life.

            Nobody forced your husband to be a FF. He chose that job probably for the money and the benefits. Who in their right mind wouldn’t want a job that pays a compenation of $250,000 while only working 2 days a week and being paid for sleeping, playing cards, watching TV, playing b-ball at the gym, grocery shopping, having BBQ’s for most of his shift? Did he need a connection to get hired?

            I bet your husband could count on one hand the number of times in his career that he ran into a burning building (to include training exercises). That’s about as rare as a patrol cop pulling his gun.

            No only do we think differently. The facts are on my side.

        • Roderick Powell

          Until this Broadwater matter came to light, I had no idea just how much there is to the job of “fireman”. They deserve the compensation they get. They also deserve to know that their future fellow firemen will be hired based upon being most qualified, not based upon an elaborate shady scummy deal like what seems to have been perpetuated by Bruce Broadwater…and then covered up by with the blatant help of Matt Fertel. An incompetent and weak city council and a greedy former fire chief and there you have it…now the climax…Jeremy Broadwater sues the city for a million buckaroos…..and Bruce Broadwater has pulled papers to run for elected office in Garden Grove, is this true? Maybe this million dollar threat to sue will bring some light to the consequences of having a weak and incompetent city council.

        • Mimi Kang

          Yep you sir are as ignorant as they come. One day you will cry like a big baby and thank those selfless fireman. They sacrifice time with their families. Work literally 24 straight hours if they’re lucky they get 2 hours of sleep on a good night! And yes they buy their own lunch with their own money on their lunch break. And these ridiculous numbers you have so creatively pulled out of your butt are outstanding. Fireman make about 100,000 a year. And million dollar pension??? Ha!!! Laughable!!! Yeah I might know what I’m talking about since I’n married to a fireman. I never see my husband. When I do he’s been up all night working. He comes home to sleep, recover, eats dinner, and off to work the next day. They die younger because they work so many hours! One day sir you will eat every word you said. And if 911 doesn’t work for you, do us all a favor and don’t use it!

          • LFOldTimer

            “They sacrifice time with their families”
            No time for their families working 2 days on 5 days off? ha. Pull my other thumb.

            “Work literally 24 straight hours if they’re lucky they get 2 hours of sleep on a good night!”
            Baloney. Do you think we all fell off the turnip truck yesterday? ha.

            “Fireman make about 100,000 a year.”
            The average FF comps about $250k a year. Go to the OCFA website and look for yourself. You have no idea what you’re talking about.

            “And million dollar pension??? Ha!!! Laughable!!!”
            Do the math, Einstein. 3%@50 = 90% of final salary in pension after 30 years. 75% after 25 years. So let’s say a FF works from age 25 to age 50. That’s 25 years on the job. And he lives to 75. (Average lifespan is 80 for retired public safety according to CalPers). That’s a 25 year pension. $75k x 25 = $1.875 million. And that doesn’t include COLA, health benefits and disability benefits (that many collect). It’s called math.

            “They die younger because they work so many hours!”
            No they don’t. CalPers says they actually live longer. To age 80. Again, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

            “And if 911 doesn’t work for you, do us all a favor and don’t use it!”
            By the time the FD shows up more times than not the home is already fully engulfed and a total loss or the heart attack victim is dead. It would actually be cheaper to get rid of the FD’s and have the community pitch in and buy new homes for the fire victims. Private companies could provide EMS. We’d save hundreds of millions of dollars each year.

          • Mimi Kang

            How dense can one human possibly be? I’m stating facts and you are pulling facts out of your Willy Wonka imagination. I sir am a Veteran. Would you tell your Soldiers not to eat, or workout? Would you pay your EMT 10.00 an hour to save your life, while McDonalds workers earn 15.00? You sir are a product of entitlement. Over n out.

          • LFOldTimer

            “I sir am a Veteran.”
            So what? So am I. But I don’t wear it like a badge. The fact that you’re a vet means nothing to me and isn’t relevant to our conversation.

            Soldiers are paid about 20% of what an average unionized FF makes. And soldiers are at a greater risk of harm than FF’s.

            Good nite.

          • Mimi Kang

            I wear it like s badge every day! It was to point out we did physical training, and ate while on duty. So therefore you are a hypocrite. I sincerely doubt you’re a Vet. I don’t know one that wouldn’t wear it like s badge! And again, if a firefighter made the outlandish amount of money you are stating I guarantee they were pulling 6-7 shifts a week. I’ll say it again, you’re mistaken sir. FYI many firefighters have degrees because it’s very competitive to get in. So again you’re full of it. you have nothing but hasty generalizations. And as an ER nurse I tell you what, you have 60 mins to live when a heart attack rolls around for the best outcome. Those boys are the front line and without them all the MDs with degrees in the world couldn’t do crap for ya. But since your a doc and a firefighter consultant you probably already knew that too. SMH

          • LFOldTimer

            “I wear it like s badge every day!”
            Were you drafted into the military and forced to serve? If so you can wear it like a badge. If you voluntarily enlisted like me you made a personal choice to join up – just like with any other job – and IMO aren’t entitled to any stinking badge. Sorry.
            “And again, if a firefighter made the outlandish amount of money you are stating I guarantee they were pulling 6-7 shifts a week.”
            Baloney. I’ve known FF’s. They have more than enough free time to hold second jobs while making well over $200,000 in comp from their FF gig. So again, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Go to the OCFA website and look at their incomes. It’s all in black and white. Do all of them work 6-7 days a week? Hogwash.
            “FYI many firefighters have degrees because it’s very competitive to get in.”
            If it’s so competitive why is the entry level education a high school degree? So the Captains and Lieutenants and mayors can get their high-school grad kids a job in the department? Competitive jobs generally have college degree requirements. At least in the real world.
            “And as an ER nurse I tell you what, you have 60 mins to live when a heart attack rolls around for the best outcome.”
            Are you sure you’re an ER nurse? A University of Michigan study showed that only about 1 in 13 people (about 8%) survive an out-of-hospital heart attack long enough to be discharged from the hospital to which they’re admitted. That rate hasn’t changed in 30 years – despite out-of-hospital emergency treatment.
            In fact, only about 25% of people survive a heart attack that happens at a hospital. Maybe you should review the literature.
            “Those boys are the front line and without them all the MDs with degrees in the world couldn’t do crap for ya.”
            The fact that a FF paramedic is paid more than a medical doctor is an insult to the medical profession and to any man or woman with common sense.

      • InTheKnow

        All of your excuses are based on the 24 hour schedule when in fact there is no viable justification for it. Police, border patrol, TSA, sewer and water departments all have 24 hour operations but none of their employees work a 24 hour shift. Firefighters do it so they can accumulate massive amounts of overtime, work a couple days a week, and get paid to eat, sleep, shop, work out and watch tv while getting paid. Private paramedic firms could respond to medical calls for a fraction of the cost but the politicians don’t have the backbone to institute such reforms because of the political clout and the public relation machines of the firefighter unions. Our heroes! Give me a break! Cops and the neighbors are the first one’s on the scene in the rare event there is a residential fire. And nepotism is rampant in the union because it is such a fantastic scam who wouldn’t want to get other family members in on it?

        • Mimi Kang

          So your logic is based on 24 hours. And who would fill the other 12 if it was a split shift? Tinker bell? They work regular hours overtime is available, but that’s because there aren’t enough firefighters. There was a hiring freeze for 5 years in LA. I will chalk up all this whining and bit**ing about you guys not making it on the fire department. Get a life!!! :D. It’s ok, it will all be ok. Entitlement it looks great on ya. Better luck next time JV.

    • Hi,
      Actually this is incorrect information, but I suppose it depends on your affiliation. Firefighter work a 9 day schedule where they work 4 days in a 9 day segment. That is 96 hours in 9 days. They average 8-12 calls per shift depending on the station, with each call averaging 1-3 hours. The majority of the calls are for ailments such as the flu, mental illness or illegal substance abuse, where they will transport to a hospital. Often times they work on the same patients repeatedly. In addition to this, depending on the department, the engine does accompany the rescue so all are working at the same time.
      You see them shopping together for a couple reasons. First, they work 24 hour shifts so they can’t take a break and cruise home for lunch or dinner. As a matter of fact, they don’t take breaks like you and I do. If they get a call, they go. So you can imagine they need to get basic human requirements like eating accomplished while on duty. The second reason you see them shooing together is because they are working. If they get a call, they aren’t going to drive back to the station and pick up the rest of the folks on their way to your house while your heart fails or you have an upset tummy and need a ride to the emergency room.
      When there is a fire, they do put themselves in harms way by entering homes with asbestos, and other multitudes of contaminates, making their life expectancy lower and the likelihood of cancer much higher.
      They do these things with the agreement that they are their family are rewarded for their efforts with a pension when they retire which is typically 70% funded by their own contributions through withdrawal on their paycheck.
      Lastly, in 2009 we entered the Great Recession when many govt jobs went on a freeze. Because of that there was no hiring but there was retiring. Many cities were not able to keep up with the lack of hiring, which brings us to today, where there is not only ample overtime offered, but there are more calls and our firefighters are busier than they have ever been. This would explain your ten min wait after you call 911, and also your often times busy 911 line.
      It seems you are hearkening back to a day when volunteer firefighters sat on their lazy laurels and used it as an excuse to check out of their family responsibilities.
      I would encourage you to go on a ride along with a local department present day.

      • InTheKnow

        All of your excuses are based on the 24 hour schedule when in fact there is no viable justification for it. Police, border patrol, TSA, sewer and water departments all have 24 hour operations but none of their employees work a 24 hour shift. Firefighters do it so they can accumulate massive amounts of overtime, work a couple days a week, and get paid to eat, sleep, shop, work out and watch tv while getting paid. Private paramedic firms could respond to medical calls for a fraction of the cost but the politicians don’t have the backbone to institute such reforms because of the political clout and the public relation machines of the firefighter unions. Our heroes! Give me a break! Cops and the neighbors are the first one’s on the scene in the rare event there is a residential fire.

        • I’m sorry you see them as excuses since they are factually based explanations. What’s an excuse? That California law says you get a break when you work? The numbers are public.

          Public Servants pick a career that happens to pay well and have a good retirement which was most likely a motivating factor in picking it.
          Are you angry at doctors for getting paid what they get paid? Or nurses? Or bankers? Or Bill Gates?

          They happen to have a strong Union. So what? I wish the same were true for teachers, pilots, flight attendants, and the rest of union positions where unions are failing miserably at being helpful.

          If a firefighter position paid $35,000 annual with no pension, how do you think they would attract applicants?
          Particularly in Los Angeles, where the cost of living is so high?
          It sounds like you envy the perks of their job. I guess haters will always hate.

          Every male in my family is in law enforcement aside from my husband, and everyone respects each other. Every one of them became involved because they love what they do, achieved college degrees (yes, there are Fire Science and Criminal Justice degrees) and because of the stability of these jobs.
          Don’t fault these men and women for making choices based on values like helping others, stability and security, and merit. In the trenches, these people believe in what they do, and have a ton of heart.

          The majority of these people are not involved in the day to day politics. It’s unfortunate that so many people envy them and that the politics that happen at levels that they are not involved in are put on them.
          I cannot imagine entering a home of someone with the kind of vitriol and judgment they face to answer a 911 call. Sadly they don’t get to choose.

          • InTheKnow

            Your entire reply said nothing about the ludicrously of the 24 hour shift. That’s because there is no viable work related reason for it. And now you are comparing the municipal firefighters in OC to doctors and Bill Gates? Wow, someone drank too much of the “hero” cool aid. Do you realize how crazy that comparison is? Just admit it. They are extremely over paid for what they do. And if they took the job for the love of the public service as you claim why do they demand so much pay and benefits in their contract negotiations? They should just volunteer their time, as is still done in many communities in this country. I am not saying they should do the job for free, but something closer to about 1/3 of what they make now sounds about right.

          • You conveniently forgot I mentioned nurses and bankers.
            I didn’t mention the 24 hour shift because who cares? If my job allowed me to do it, it’s take advantage of it too.
            I didn’t drink the cool aid, I just get defensive when envious, judgmental Monday morning quarterbacks decide how much someone should make.
            Unless you are a Compensation specialist, you really aren’t able to reasonably discern what a fair salary would be for anyone.
            I am not speaking to a specific department however in LA City, a Firefighter 2 makes approximately $65,000/ year. A Firefighter 3 makes a little less than $90,000. So with your math, it sounds like you prefer that Firefighters make $22,000-$30,000/ year which is less than the minimum wage in California.
            Unless you want the same people that serve you when you drive through at Del Taco putting out fires and coming into your home to save your grandma who fell and broke her hip, I’d say your point is ridiculous.
            Have fun whining about other people’s career choices because you obviously are jealous. Your entitlement and spirit of envy are not a good look.

          • LFOldTimer

            “Unless you are a Compensation specialist, you really aren’t able to reasonably discern what a fair salary would be for anyone.”
            One doesn’t have to be a human resource compensation specialist to realize that somebody in a job that only requires a high-school degree (or GED) shouldn’t get a higher compensation than a licenses medical doctor (and obtain a significant portion of that compensation while sleeping). Sometimes common sense rules.

            “I am not speaking to a specific department however in LA City, a Firefighter 2 makes approximately $65,000/ year.”
            For the umpteenth time – go to the OCFA website and look at the amounts of compensation paid to the hosepullers. The numbers don’t lie. Average is about $240,000 a year. For a common FF.

            “Have fun whining about other people’s career choices because you obviously are jealous.”
            Nothing to do with jealousy. I am a concerned taxpayer who resents being ripped off.

  • Paul Lucas

    This is crazy.

  • Roderick Powell

    So is this stress Jeremy Broadwater is going through treatable with medical marijuana?

  • Roderick Powell

    Jeremy is just like his father, wanting to use Garden Grove to get rich. Maybe this opportunistic lawsuit filed by a councilwoman lawyer motivated by greed…will shed light on what really happened along the way to Jeremy Broadwater becoming one of 10 firemen to be hired. (against seemingly insurmountable odds)

  • Marla Beihl

    Jeremy Broadwater is a joke and should never have been hired in the first place. I wish he would be a man and move on!