• Cynthia Ward

    With all due respect to the author, whose work for Anaheim’s Districting efforts is nothing short of legendary, the title of this Op Ed should be “correcting an Irvine bajillionaire who might not understand the details of a City he doesn’t live in.” But that doesn’t lend itself to being reprinted as the masthead on a rebuttal I.E. For Jie Dunn, so I guess we have to roll with going for the jugular on a politician who by law was not permitted to be involved in the I.E. While my Republican heart understands that Dems ripping into other Dems makes the job easier for my party down the line, I am saddened that one of the truly unifying issues if our time that brought together the Left, the Right, the Middle, and the “all parties stink” citizens, is now the bludgeon used against one another in the battle for who gets credit for the work of many. Knock it off. as Dan C cryptically alludes to, the entire issue has been the work of many who will never be credited, indeed those who contributed the most to the effort decline to be credited, because they understand this is NOT about the efforts of any one group or person or viewpoint, that bringing government down to a manageable level (until the power structure learns to game the new system) is a universal, non partisan issue we can all support and we can all be proud of. IEs have always been all about praising their candidate, often with BS notions the candidates can’t say themselves. Nobody takes them seriously, and this issue is much ado about self important ego inflation from those so desperate for an office and a title their friends will fund fairy tales to make it happen. Degrading what was as close to a pure hearted effort that enjoyed support from literally EVERY area of the City is going to cheapen what should be the biggest group hug in Anaheim’s history. Lots of people will receive thanks for very minimal effort. Those who expended great effort will largely go without thanks. It is the way things work, and not worth the cyber griping playing out here. Go walk a precinct for your favored candidate, and enjoy a beautiful Sunday in the Happiest District Divided Place on Earth.
    Ps. You may read that while hearing a jocular grin in my voice, or perhaps read it with the sternest Mom-voice in the tone of, “Don’t make me come down there.” As you see fit. Wishing a beautiful day to ALL of the sidewalk warriors who went door to door, made phone calls, wrote checks, worked the keyboards, and donated time that could have been spent with friends, family, or making money. To instead making Anaheim a more accountable place. Thank you to anyone who had any part in the process.

    • @Dan Chmielewski

      Thanks Cynthia. That’s the most accurate call of how the process happened on this post.

      • Cynthia Ward

        Dan, help me out and never agree with me about anything, ever again, please. You are a blustering bully, one of the worst in OC, and your constant game playing of “I know stuff you don’t know” is not only annoying and immature, it casts doubt on the entire mapping process, as though there was back room deal making going down, including info known to some and deliberately withheld from others. Any information regarding this process that may have been held back from Greg was also clearly withheld from THE PUBLIC. Is that the message you intended to share with us? Your need to promote your own self importance by alluding to not-publicly-available knowledge does nothing but create doubt in the minds of Anaheim voters reading this, at a time when our fragile community needs to be confident that our new election system was the result of a (relatively) transparent and fair process. If you have information that speaks to the outcome of district mapping and sequencing in Anaheim, come clean, because otherwise it looks like you are laying the groundwork for your buddy Jordan to claim some rigging of the system, and maybe use that to challenge the maps or sequencing where his previous attempts to weasel out of a fair challenge by Dr. Moreno failed. If your inside baseball info does not impact the outcome and is nothing but juvenile gossip, please know that not only does nobody care, but you are creating doubt where it is neither needed nor productive. Why your own party has not muzzled you is beyond me, but Anaheim does not need more of your divisive nastiness. Nobody cares what you know. It’s over. Go have dinner.

        • @Dan Chmielewski

          The message I’m trying to convey is there are a number of people involved in the process who wished Greg wouldn’t show up or get involved in districting at all. He was a distraction and actually slowed things down. He sets records for audience members rolling eyeballs. Even the judges had enough of Greg. My inside baseball knowledge is simply that.

  • Paul Lucas

    Lou Correa has been an enabler and inspiration and mentor of Brandman. Lou Correa has endorsed Murray and Kring the three horsemen who did everything in their power to block this districting as well as the millions of give aways to disney and almost giving away the angels stadium. And now hes trying to take credit for the districting to pander to the base of latinos he couldnt get thrown in jail yet? This guy ne

  • Martin Lopez

    Bottom line, Lou and his allies (I.E’s) are deceptive, if he did not approve this flyer but he is honest, he then needs to recognize that he had nothing to do with getting district elections and the People’s Map passed in Anaheim, he should also come out and say that publicly. Otherwise he is letting “special interest” misinform voters to his benefit.

    I have seen him through the years in office, he is good to show up at public events and pose for pictures and then give the impression that he had everything to do with the hard work behind it.

    In my humble opinion, this is still “plagiarism”, even if done by his “friends” (I.E’s).

    • @Dan Chmielewski

      Do you understand how IEs work? The candidate has no control over mail pieces done on his/her behalf. And I defer to Oscar Reyes comment about Lou’s support for the People’s Map. You do know Oscar’s role in this map, right. Please go back and read what he said.

      • Ada Briceno

        The better question is do you know his role? I really do know.

      • Greg Diamond

        Any one of Martin, Ada, and Austin Lynch have thirty times more knowledge than Oscar does about *how the political process of obtaining approval was navigated* — which means about a thousand times more than you. Let’s stipulate that Oscar was involved in drawing the map; he was not involved in the strategy of obtaining its approval.

        Martin also no doubt understands IEs, but understands that the rules against coordination are often violated with impunity — as seems likely with Harry Sidhu’s buddies well-timed, well-funded, and well-messaged attacks on Deborah Pauly. You’re not dealing with a badly uninformed readership on this site; please try to comport yourself accordingly.

        • @Dan Chmielewski

          Who says Oscar is the only one I’ve spoken with. You don’t know what I know. You also don’t know the steps taken to keep you, specifically you, in the dark less you screw the whole thing up. As IEs go, this is pretty awful in terms of content. Not up to the usual standards of pro-Lou IEs. Do you have any proof of coordination?

          • Greg Diamond

            Yeah, I don’t know what you know — but I know the smell of self-serving bullshit. You’re talking to Claudio and probably Jason. Is this the big contribution supposedly made?

            Look, it was a given that this Council was not going to choose Brian and my map. I was always at peace with that, although I also wanted to see the final map clean up some of the problems that Claudio — oh, I mean Oscar, of course! — included in it. That didn’t happen and it was no big deal.

            I was ALWAYS, from the beginning when I was talking with Amin David, involved in the process to primarily to present a map that could beat a bad Pringle/Disney map if things ended up in court. ALWAYS. I was very open about that, if you review the videos of hearings — not that you would know because you were so far from the process. And I was entirely comfortable with it.

            No, I don’t have “proof of coordination” — but I know that it’s not something that one can blithely rule out because “gosh, it’s against the rules!” It happens — the anti-Pauly mailer being (as I’ve written) a very likely example of the practice. I don’t usually think of you as a babe in the woods, but perhaps you are — at least when you want to be…

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            You finally admitted it was “your map.”

            I talk to a lot of people Greg. There’s a agreement between us not to let you know who least you bully them.

          • Greg Diamond

            Yes, Dan — it was the map I drew based on input from and serving the expressed interests of Brian Chuchua. Again, that’s never been a secret.

            As for bullying — as a keyboard for hire you don’t have a lot of credibility. Everyone knows that the way to curry favor from you, ladled out generously to anyone you think takes you seriously, is to slam the people whom you don’t like, which apparently means me above all. So I’m sure that you hear a lot of smack talk — and I’m sure that little if any of it would stand up to scrutiny. That’s no problem for people who flatter you, though, as you’re not inclined to scrutinize and you’ll “protect them” whether they’re real or fictitious.

            I’d like to hear even one story about my supposedly “bullying” someone. I know that people don’t like that I will shout if need be when the DPOC Chair is ignoring a question of parliamentary procedure or some such — which is exactly what you’re supposed to do under Roberts Rules if the Chair is not doing his or her job — or when a massive railroading is taking place. I get people quietly thanking me later for many such things, but few people want to risk getting publicly walloped and retaliated against the way that I do. THAT’S bullying — and you generally write in praise of it.

            In contrast I can provide large number of examples of your

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            Hate to break it to you, I’m not a keyboard for hire. You are and have admitted as much. I do no political consulting and oddly enough, the only candidate or elected in the current cycle who might possible benefit by business is Joe Dunn due to the cybersecurity center he is trying to establish at UCI. While that’s a great idea, it’s also 10 years too late and there are a number of very well established centers in university environments all over the country. Joe thinks differently; the facts suggest otherwise. “Flattering me” as you say, gets them nothing. So please try to focus on actual facts as opposed to what you think they might be.

  • Vern Exile Nelson
  • Cynthia Ward

    Oh don’t forget Lou also pandered to the Kleptocracy, speaking in SUPPORT of the Disney gate tax exemption. Yeah Lou, we remember.

  • Oscar Reyes

    Ada, thank you for bringing this matter to our attention. As the author of the Anaheim City Redistricting maps, I can tell you that when we asked Lou Correa to come to support us, he was there. I do not remember seeing Senator Correa ever posing for pictures at those city hall meetings. Having worked with Senator Correa for the last few months, I can tell you that the Lou Correa for Congress campaign had nothing to do with that mailer.

    Furthermore, the bottom of the mailer indicates that it was, “Paid for by Howard Ahmanson/Fieldstead & Company and not authorized by any candidate or candidate’s committee. P.O. Box 19599, Irvine, CA 92623.” This was not produced or approved by Lou Correa.

    • Vern Exile Nelson

      Ahmanson? The Republican billionaire? This is getting weird. Is he TRYING to make Lou look like an idiot, or being idiotic about trying to make Lou look good?

    • Vern Exile Nelson

      But it is true then, that he had nothing to do with districting until you guys called him last December to come and help. And that struggle had been going on four years. And this flyer gives him credit for making it happen, just because he gave a 3 minute speech last December that he almost didn’t give. And which was supposed to change Jordan’s, Kris’, and Lucille’s mind, but did nothing of the sort, until the PEOPLE made it happen a month later.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qt9PvZmEWY

      • Vern Exile Nelson

        In fact, the most he had to do with districting before a court ordered it, was to endorse districting opponents Kris Murray and Gail Eastman (who fought the reform tooth and nail for two years at a taxpayer cost of $2 million), and attempted districting saboteur Jordan Brandman.

    • Paul Lucas

      Isnt Ahmanson the anti-choice, pray the gay away billionaire who funds the most far right wing campaigns out there?

    • Greg Diamond

      “Ada, thank you for bringing this matter to our attention”?

      “To our attention”? What the bloody heck are you talking about? Ada had as much to do with getting the map approved — adopting your map at the urging of Claudio Gallegos, who is now flacking like mad for Correa — than anyone except maybe Jose Moreno and Eric Altman, for getting the thing onto and past the ballot.

      “As the author of the Anaheim City Redistricting maps, I can tell you that when we asked Lou Correa to come to support us, he was there.”

      Really? When and how often did you ask him — and why didn’t you ask more of him? Face it, there is no “we” who asked Correa to come to support “us.” That effort was driven by OTHERS, and they, not you, did the asking — and they, not you, drove the final nail into the coffin of the opposition with a maneuver of which you may still be unaware (though it was widely reported.)

      If Correa had nothing to do with the mailer, and has any remaining sense of shame, then he could disavow himself from the mailer and even denounce it. But that would take decency — and who needs decency when one has over a half-million dollars in independent expenditures from lobbyists and industries looking for a candidate with a sloppy sense of ethics?

      Don’t believe your own press clippings, Oscar. It will destroy you — and to your new “we” and “us,” you are expendable.

      • @Dan Chmielewski

        Still bitter your many plans were not adopted. I’ll make this short. There were lots of things behind Oscar’s work you have no knowledge of and no clue about that remain private to this day. And your “lecture” of this young man makes you look more foolish than you usually do.

        • Vern Exile Nelson

          Behold the clueless chucklehead, ignoring the bulk of the whole story. You should have made it even shorter and kept your peace.

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            An IE, developed without the candidate’s knowledge or participation, was published and he’s responsible for it? Mr. Correa held no office during the entire time of the Anaheim district fight; he was a private citizen and was available as counsel to Mr. Reyes when asked. Again, since you missed it the first time, there was considerable behind-the-scenes work done by Reyes and others that you are completely unaware of that still isn’t public. The reason you know nothing about it is you lack the ability to keep confidences over anything, which you demonstrate time and again. Clueless? That would be you.

          • Vern Exile Nelson

            Like I said, you should have kept things WAY WAY shorter and kept your peace.

            1. Lou Correa, state senator representing a LOT of Anaheim, from December 4, 2006 – November 30, 2014. Do you have any idea how long the districting fight lasted, or when it started? It was AT LEAST raging through 2012, 2013, and 2014.

            2. He WAS involved, on the WRONG SIDE, by twice endorsing klepto Republicans Murray and Eastman, who as I’ve mentioned several times now, kept Anaheim fighting AGAINST districting for over two years, at a taxpayer cost of $2 million. THIS WAS SOMETHING THEY TALKED ABOUT IN THEIR CAMPAIGNS, AND LOU ENDORSED THEM.

            3. Being temporarily out of office (which was only since 2015 for Lou) didn’t stop other respected former electeds LIKE JOE DUNN from coming out and speaking up forcefully and publicly for what we all knew was right.

            You gonna shut up now or you wanna keep this going?

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            Joe spoke at the same meetings Lou did and had nothing to do with the districting efforts that went forward in 2014. But I’m sure Joe was responsible for the sun coming up in the morning. Last time I checked, Murray and Eastman were elected by voters in Anaheim (of course Eastman is now out of office). Lou didn’t put them there. Voters did. Want to keep this going? Sure. What did Joe do other than pose for photos?

          • Vern Exile Nelson

            2014 is when you first heard of Anaheim districting? Damn, I miss Chris Prevatt.

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            Don’t confuse the districting creation process with the lawsuit over districts. Even then, what did Dunn do?

          • Vern Exile Nelson

            ALL of 2012, 12 months. ALL of 2013, 12 more months. 24 months that Lou Correa was the Latino State Senator for the city, who had endorsed Kris Murray and Gail Eastman – someone that these two Republican kleptos would at least presumably listen to respectfully – and not a word while they spent 24 months continuing to fight this inevitable reform, spending $2 million of our tax money, JUST TO KEEP THEMSELVES IN OFFICE A LITTLE LONGER. 24 months.

            Also nothing in 2014. Or 2015, until December.

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            And what did Dunn do during this time? Other than spend $5,000 at an LA restaurant owned by his friend Mark Geragos and charge it to the stare bar? And district is a city issue. Nothing that would require a state senator’s help. But tell me again, what did Dunn do? You keep avoiding the answer to that question

          • Vern Exile Nelson

            I’m going to look into what Joe did exactly. I bet he did more than you think, besides those last few eloquent speeches.

            But you are way too stupid to see how irrelevant that question is. JOE DUNN DOESN’T HAVE A MAILER OUT SAYING “ANAHEIM THANKS YOU FOR DISTRICT ELECTIONS, JOE DUNN!!!” Duh, duh, and doiee.

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            And Lou doesn’t have a mailer either. It’s an I.E. You must be too stupid to know how IEs work. Please do look into what Joe did. Probably has much as Lou did. The lion’s share of the work was Oscar Reyes and his coalition, which Greg is already dismissing. Again, there’s a lot of stuff that went down on districting that you and Greg know nothing about.

          • Greg Diamond

            Your pretending that there’s never any coordination with IEs is darling. That said, if Lou was embarrassed about Stolen Valor, he could denounce the mailer and humbly set the record straight. But this is, of course, impossible for him.

            It wasn’t “Oscar Reyes’s” coalition. Julio Perez, Ada Briceno, Marisol Ramirez, Austin Lynch, and many others — yes. Oscar had a limited, though very public, role — which is what made it advantageous for Lou to “obtain” him.

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            Still bitter that none of your 11 plans made it that far. Keep attacking Oscar.

          • Greg Diamond

            I’ve never been bitter about that — I know very well what the Council thinks of me and thought that it would take a miracle for anything I drew to get approved. The only things I’m sad about are some small deficiencies I see in the map — ones that I know Claudio had been pushing, with ultimate success — that did not stop me from supporting it.

            I’m not LIKE you, Dan. I want to contribute to success, and it’s fine with me if the final success is credited to others. I’m just sad that the person who was tactically thrust into a prominent position ended up being co-opted by Lou — presuming that he didn’t start out that way from the first.

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            Actually, you crave praise and attention. Lou co-opted Oscar? You don’t know anything. You should just stop now. You’re even a bigger joke than I thought you were

          • Greg Diamond

            No, Dan, I crave results. And you’re projecting.

            Either Lou co-opted Oscar or Oscar came pre-co-opted. He’s now publicly on the side of people who have been opposed to the interests of Anaheim Latinos. I don’t know when it happened, true — and having asked him a fair number of questions over time, including over the details of his maps, I don’t expect to get my first cogent answer about anything from him.

            All you have to do is to compare Ada’s post her to Oscar’s delusional rebuttal to see what’s true. SOP for OC ConservaDems.

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            I’m surprised Dunn’s camp didn’t send one out yet giving him full credit. There’s still Monday and Tuesday

          • Vern Exile Nelson

            Chapter 3 of PR – moving the goalposts. Chapter 4 – changing the subject. Chapter 7 – polish that t-rd.

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            I asked a question about Dunn’s role. You admit you don’t know. You have no answer for what a state senator is supposed to do for a local election issue. I’m sure if Lou had a $5,000 dinner somewhere and expensed it, you be all over it.

          • Greg Diamond

            If you want to know about Dunn’s role, ask the people commenting here who were most central to the project: Ada and Austin.

            If you listen to Correa henchpersons like Claudio Gallegos and Jason Mills — who I’m guessing are your sources, you will of course get a different story. But they aren’t in the same sort of position to know what went down — and obviously have an interest in spinning the story, a spin that you welcome.

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            Keep guessing. Henchmen huh? Keep it classy Greg. With every comment you make, you justify why people left you out of the winning process. You can’t help yourself and would have wanted to fix was wasn’t broken. Folks were right to keep you in the dark.

          • Greg Diamond

            I wasn’t left out, dork. But yes, I was not communicating the Jason and only rarely, on mostly technical issues, with Claudio. As you said, you don’t know what I know.

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            You were left out of a lot of stuff Greg. I really want to tell you, but I can’t. I keep promises of confidentiality. I’m sorry you can’t see what you were excluded from but you were

          • Greg Diamond

            I am starting to think that you have absolutely no idea what you sound like.

            I hope that you graduate from junior high soon.

          • Paul Lucas

            You should know better than that. A Billionaire anti-choice and pray the gay away Republican drops money for his boy sweet lou and you expect the irvine Troll to ot crow about it?

  • Philmore

    CURRENT Anaheim residents, mostly thank Mr. Correa for his MOVING TO SANTA ANA. That sadly, is not far enough to deter his regular presence at the Council Comments podium, with the well-worn “I remember running through the orange groves in Anaheim, growing up……..” and similar reminiscing, adding more delay for RESIDENTS who have squeezed appeals for their REAL PROBLEMS into their 3 minutes, a time he regularly exceeds in deference to his FORMER title, in search of his NEXT one.

  • Vern Exile Nelson

    Yeah, when Jordan started his last crazy maneuverings to sabotage districts for this election, Lou was there, watching, listening, I asked if he was going to speak and he said he hadn’t made up his mind yet. THEN at the last minute he went up and said he thinks the People’s Map should be approved. As far as I know that’s all he did on the issue, repeat what a few dozen people had just said. You could practically see the finger in the wind poking out of his bald scalp.

    It IS nice to see Jordan presented as a villain though, on a conserva-dem mailer of all things. What IS Jordan’s crowd now?

    • Vern Exile Nelson

      Correction – that was Jordan’s FIRST scheme, before he tried to get rid of the People’s Map and just wanted to keep the 3rd district from voting this year. Lou stuck up for letting the 3rd district vote, after hearing a few dozen people do the same and nobody saying the opposite.

  • Austin Lynch

    Lou Correa did nothing of substance to fight for Anaheim Districts. He must be confusing himself with Joe Dunn, who consistently mobilized when it was most needed to support the People’s Map.

    • @Dan Chmielewski

      oh details please. Joe showed up at a council meeting to speak in favor. So did Bao. So did Lou. What did Joe Dunn do to move the People’s Map forward?

      • Greg Diamond

        Austin was one of the primary strategists and activists behind the map approval effort. He’d know pretty much all there is to know about the actual process, including the final “killing blow” that got it passed. You are embarrassing yourself — or you would be, if you were capable of embarrassment.

        • @Dan Chmielewski

          Great, let Austin speak for himself then about what Joe Dunn did. Share details if you have then. You don’t.

          • Greg Diamond

            Look up at the top level post. Austin already did.

            Did he offer enough detail to meet your satisfaction? I’m sure that he did not — but then what statements satisfies you generally depends on who says them and whether or not they cozy up to you.

  • Paul Lucas

    this is inexcusable. This is a form of plagerism taking credit for someone elses work? How can an “Educator” be reduced to plagarism? I think censure is in order by the DPOC

    • @Dan Chmielewski

      It’s spelled “plagiarism.” It’s an I.E. Lou isn’t taking credit for it and it doesn’t warrant censure from the DPOC. Go back and read what Oscar Reyes wrote.

      • Paul Lucas

        I don’t know how many times I’ve asked you to cease and desist speaking to st or about me. I’m telling you to stop that once and for all. I don’t read your blog I don’t comment on your blog I’m not Henry. Please for the love of God leave me alone.

        • @Dan Chmielewski

          Paul, please don’t play the victim. Your comments about me on other blogs are vile and cowardly. You absolutely do read my blog because comments you leave under your name prove it. You’re very brave behind a keyboard. In person, not so much. You want to be left alone? Practice what you preach.

          • Greg Diamond

            “Your comments about me on other blogs are vile…”

            So — you’re accusing him of accuracy? I can see why this would disturb you.

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            I’m accusing him of being a coward. You’re just a failure.

          • Greg Diamond

            You’re 50% taller than him, you bellow and threaten and invade body space, and Paul has medical problems that would keep him out of a physical confrontation. He’s not a coward, he just doesn’t trust that you’re not a maniac.

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            He is a coward and you’re lousy at math. As far as physical confrontations go, stop thinking like a middle-schooler.

          • Greg Diamond

            Sorry, that should have been 50% “larger” rather than taller. And you’re right, it’s not a good estimate. More than 50%, I’d say.

            Dan, you physically crowd people with your bulk, get into their faces, and bellow at them. Stop ACTING like a middle-schooler.

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            You’re still bad at math. And you’re making up stuff. You are also the last guy to use the term “bulk”

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            I’d love to keep this up, but I have dinner plans with friends. Ta!

          • Greg Diamond

            Or the second-to-last guy, in some online conversations. Bon appetit, but don’t rupture any organs.

          • Paul Lucas

            Dan in telling you for the last time stop threatening me. This is being saved to obtain a restraining order. Your threats are becoming mire erratic and violent with time.

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            Oh please do send a restraining order; at no time have I ever been violent towards you. I wished you a Happy Thanksgiving in front of witnesses and you screamed incoherently back at me. I seriously doubt a judge would find anything I have written about you being either erratic or violent. You, on the other hand, are very erratic. I’m delighted Greg endorsed you for central committee as “a critical voice on drug policy and policing issues.” It’s not often we have a candidate with actual experience being arrested on a drug charge or spending time as a guest of taxpayers.

  • Paul Lucas

    good grief??!!