What Trump’s Immigration Orders Mean for Orange County

Adam Elmahrek/Voice of OC

An activist opposed to the expansion of a Santa Ana jail contract with Immigration and Customs Enforcement is interviewed by a reporter with the Spanish-language station Estrella TV.

With the first wave of President Donald Trump’s long-promised crackdown on immigration arriving in the form of two executive orders this week, immigrant advocates in Orange County are scrambling to mobilize on behalf of the many county residents who could be impacted by the directives.

While his order to fulfill his signature campaign promise to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexican border garnered most of the headlines, Trump’s other edicts will likely have a much greater effect on the county’s refugee community and the estimated 300,000 unauthorized immigrants who call the county home.

Among other things, his orders drastically expand the definition of who is considered a “removable alien” to include both unauthorized and potentially even legal immigrants, and will prioritize for deportation immigrants who have committed “any criminal offense” or who have been charged but not convicted of a crime.

The Department of Homeland Security will also publish a list, updated weekly, of unauthorized immigrants nationwide who are convicted of crimes and jurisdictions that refuse to honor federal requests to detain them. Meanwhile, an ‘Office for Victims of Crime Committed by Removable Aliens’ will be created.

Furthermore, Trump is vowing to cut all federal funding to cities and counties that declare themselves sanctuaries for immigrants by refusing to cooperate with federal immigration authorities.

The new president has also resurrected Secure Communities, a program for identifying and further detaining unauthorized immigrants with criminal histories that began under President George W. Bush and continued well into President Barack Obama’s first term. Obama ended the program in 2014.

Finally, Trump is expected to sign another executive order that would temporarily halt any immigration from seven predominantly Muslim countries while the government reviews the screening process, cut the number of refugees admitted to the United States each year in half and make the already lengthy vetting process for aslyum-seekers even more stringent.

Few places in the country will feel the brunt of these policies like Orange County, where nearly a third of all residents are foreign born, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. The county has also accepted 1,491 refugees from several countries over the past six years, and is home to a large population of American Muslims, many of whom live and work in Anaheim’s Little Arabia.

One potential silver lining for immigrant families is that Trump, at least for the time being, appears to be leaving in place the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, which allows children who were brought to this country by their unauthorized parents to have temporary legal status.

Immigrant advocates have been preparing for this time to come ever since the November election and have been ramping up their efforts to hold naturalization fairs and dispense legal advice, according advocates like Shakeel Syed, executive director of Orange County Communities Organizing for Responsible Development (OCCORD).

But they say they are already feeling somewhat overwhelmed

Many small nonprofits and service providers like OCCORD do not have their own in-house attorneys, and rely on groups like the Asian Americans Advancing Justice, the Public Law Center and American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) to provide both general and individualized advice to immigrants.

“There are capacity issues with these nonprofits, and we are unable to meet the demand that’s coming our way,” Syed said.

In an effort to harness the resistance to the new administration’s policies, OCCORD and other groups, including the Los Angeles chapter of the Council of American Islamic Relations in Anaheim, have established a collaborative of Muslim American and Latino advocacy groups.

“We recognize that all politics is local, and a threat to justice to some people is a threat to justice for all people,” said Hussam Ayloush, executive director of CAIR-LA, which is based in Anaheim.

Here is a rundown of the ways in which Trump’s new policies impact Orange County:

The Crackdown on “Criminals”

By reinstating Secure Communities Trump is reconnecting a pipeline between local governments and federal immigration authorities through which fingerprints of people booked into local and state jails are matched with Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and FBI databases.

Obama ended the program in 2014 after it drew heavy criticism for deporting a large number of people who committed minor crimes. Between 2008 and 2013, the top crime associated with deportations was immigration violations, followed by traffic violations and drug crimes, according to CNN.

It was replaced with a program that gave immigration officers the discretion to focus only on those with serious felony convictions or who are a serious threat to public safety or national security.

Trump has done away with that discretion, and taken enforcement a step further by drastically expanding the definition of who is considered a “removable alien” to, as the British newspaper The Guardian details, any immigrant who has been convicted of a crime or even those who have not been convicted or simply been subject to an investigation.

It also allows for the arrest and removal of any immigrant who has lied in official governmental matters or government applications, abused public benefits or defied a deportation order. While Trump has authorized the hiring of 5,000 new border patrol agents and 10,000 new federal immigration authorities, the feds will still likely need the help of local police.

The main way Orange County residents end up in the deportation system is by being arrested and placed in jails run by the county Sheriff’s Department. Many city police departments don’t inquire about immigration status or provide information unless they get a specific request from Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

One protection California immigrants will have against Secure Communities that they didn’t have in its first incarnation is the state’s Trust Act.  The act, which went into effect in 2014, prohibits local governments from honoring detainer requests unless the person in custody has committed a serious crime.

The sheriff’s department notifies ICE about inmates arrested for only “serious and violent felonies” as allowed by the Trust Act, said Lt. Mark Stichter, a spokesman for the department.

When these inmates’ time is almost done, “we communicate with ICE and let them know of the inmate’s pending release, and then ICE can decide to pick them up to further the deportation process,” Stichter said.

Punishing Sanctuary Cities

In Orange County, only Santa Ana has declared itself a sanctuary city, although many cities have internal policies that prohibit police from collecting or disclosing information about people’s immigration status.

And despite Trump’s threat, city officials are not showing signs of backing down.

The city issued a statement Thursday afternoon stating that it is working with other sanctuary jurisdictions “to prepare and respond to actions taken at the federal level.”

“I am very proud of our city council for standing strong, and I believe that we have to continue to stand strong, even if the federal government threatens too take away some  of our funds,” said Councilman Sal Tinajero, who went on to say the city should take legal action to protect its funding.

Carrying out the president’s order to take away federal funding from sanctuary cities may be more difficult than it sounds.

A host of sanctuary jurisdictions across the country have vowed legal battles to protect their federal funding, including New York, Los Angeles, and the leaders of the California Legislature.

Santa Ana, for example, has been awarded a total of $123 million in federal grants for the coming years, the vast majority of which is for public housing programs.

Past U.S. Supreme Court rulings have limited the federal government’s ability to strip funding from local agencies to money that is related to the policy involved, such as law enforcement grants. Santa Ana has been awarded $2.7 million in federal law enforcement grants over the next three years, mostly for community policing.

The court precedents could protect sanctuary cities’ grants for non-police issues like housing, community development, parks, and transportation.

Stopping the Flow of Refugees

Although Trump has yet to release his executive order regarding refugees, a draft of the order suggests the president will significantly cut the number of refugees accepted into the country and where they are coming from.

The draft order would cut number of refugees admitted to the U.S. each year from 110,000 to 50,000 and temporarily halt immigration for a month from a number of majority-Muslim nations: Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia and Yemen.

It would also suspend the admission of new refugees for 120 days and halt the flow of refugees from Syria indefinitely, until the administration is done overhauling the vetting process.

When the refugee program resumes, those escaping religious persecution will be prioritized – so long as they are considered a religious minority in their country of origin.

California received 5,817 refugees as of 2015, or 8 percent of the national total, according to data from the U.S. Office of Refugee Resettlement. The most refugees come from Iran (1,852), Iraq (1,715), Burma (321), Ukraine (313), Somalia (294), Afghanistan (215) and Syria (182).

Orange County has received 1,491 refugees between 2011 and 2016, according to data compiled by the state’s Refugee Programs Bureau, or 191 last year.

Between 2011 and 2015, 666 Iraqis, 271 Iranians and 236 Africans resettled in Orange County,

Not many Syrians have resettled in Orange County under an official refugee status – just eight refugees have been resettled here since 1994, with two of them arriving in 2015. But many Syrians have arrived instead under visitor or student visas, which does not entitle them to any special government assistance.

The situation for most individuals applying for asylum has already been difficult; individuals being assisted by OCCORD for their asylum applications saw their cases stalled for most of last year without explanation, Syed said.

“These are really the worst of situations,” said Syed. “At least with [deferred action], we know the government is not going to honor them,” said Syed. “In the refugee cases, they’re in a complete limbo.

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  • Crystal johnson

    Why be like that . Theres alot of good people just imagine their fear of being separated from their family ,their kids imagine the fear and pain of the kids is in it more fair if they just remove the criminals than separating innocent families . Please people have a heart for the good people that just want a better life for their kids . They as parents just want to give their kids a better life .And are we gonna hate them for that humiliate them for that not accept them for that. They have families just like us. Imagine the feeling of getting separated from your babies , family . Imagine us getting descriminated and hated for wanting a better life for us and your kids .
    Let’s protect the innocent immigrants with families . There will come a day when we will also need help !
    HASHTAG#(I protect innocent immigrant families)

  • Jacki Livingston

    I am pretty sure that, by definition, all of our ancestors were illegal, to the nations that were here first. I have no problem with hard working people coming here for a better life. That is the American dream. I do have a problem with some evil Orange Troll deciding that Muslims from countries he makes money in are perfectly fine, while those from other countries are not! I have a problem with Muslims being branded terrorists, when we all know that more evil, more war, more terror, more pure, unadulterated violence has been done in this world by the fake “Christians” who use God as an excuse for some of the most despicable acts in the history of mankind (The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, Salem Witch Trials, Slaughter of English citizens during Tudor era, genocide of Native Americans, Slaughter of Mexican Indians by Spanish explorers, Hiroshima, Oklahoma City Bombing, Endless wars, Holocaust…). Plus, it is logically just stupid. Okay, so if someone wants to harm us, are they going to admit to being Muslim? Duuuuuuuh! The Trump/Pence/Putin triad of evil is nonsensical. This is why two thirds of Californians are leaning towards secession in 2018! The absolute idiocy of the Trump executive orders is staggering! Build a wall, oh, that was SO EFFECTIVE in Berlin! For every brick they put up, we will tear it down! From Abortion to women’s rights to worker protections to immigration, Trump is out of touch, not just with the last fifty years, but with reality. His hypocrisy, as well as his reveal as a complete toad, is going to lead to a downfall of epic proportions, and then we are stuck with Pence, who has a pathalogical hatred of women, children, the poor and LGBTQ community. It is embarrassing to be an American, right now, and the rest of the planet is laughing at us.

    • verifiedsane

      WOW, just WOW! That was some plethora of incoherent cretinism

      • Jacki Livingston

        Funny, that’s what I thought about your blathering.

    • Ima Fedup

      Good thing Obama cleared out the Federal Prisons. You’ll have a place to stay when you vandalize the wall. Stop living in the past. We needed immigration in those days to build our country. We don’t need mass immigration now.

      • Jacki Livingston

        This country was founded as a haven for those seeking freedom. Not really for selfish jerks who feel that they got theirs, and the rest of the world can go to hell. I’m not worried about jail, how, because they will be full of Trump and his Satan’s bedfellows buddies.

  • Jasenn

    Deport criminals yes. Please ask your senators to support Senator de Leon’s SB 54 which would make California a ‘sanctuary state’ preventing law enforcement to cooperate with federal immigration requests for non-criminals.

    • LFOldTimer

      Non-criminals?

      Pursuant to 8 United States Code 1325 illegal entry into the United States is a crime, thereby making those who violate the law criminals by definition:

      “(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts; Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.”

      de Leon’s bill is aiding and abetting criminal aliens. Any legislator who votes to approve of is an accessory. Inside of a year de Leon will be eating out of the palm of Trump’s hand.

      States do not have the authority to interfere with Federal immigration law. Obama sued Arizona for SB 1070 and brought Arizona to it’s knees. Trump will do the same to California. It’s established law. But the progressive law professors won’t tell you that.

      Oh, Jasenn – in case you didn’t know a foreigner taking employment in the US without authorization is a crime too. Both state and Federal. So is identity theft.

      • Jasenn

        de Leon’s bill is a compassionate solution to a destructive xenophobic
        consciousness that has pervaded the right wing ideologues with no
        empathy for anyone. In this time and place, USC 1325 was created around the 1950’s when the world situation was totally different than what it is today. Human beings and human consciousness evolves as time goes by. 1325 is inappropriate to our current world situation and our country when our economy and living situation indicates that we can absorb far more immigrants than in the 1950’s. Your argument is a racist dog whistle. Trump has been blowing the racist dog whistle for most of his adult life, going back to when he was prosecuted for racial discrimination for the apartments he and his father owned.

        • verifiedsane

          Did you come up with that silly propaganda hogwash on your own, or did you & De Leon borrow it from the no borders global socialist George Soros, & Saul Alinsky,

          When all else fails, play the race card, and attack, attack, attack….Your opinions expressed here have no basis in fact, law, or reality.

          But then, why would anyone expect a deaf person to put their ear up to reason and actually listen.

          • Jasenn

            My. A typical and expected attack by a Trump sympathizer, one who doesn’t seem to know what socialism is as evidenced by your vomiting the word out in ignorance. I guess you don’t realize that it is you who is playing the race card by defending racist dog whistles!

          • verifiedsane

            You can do all the name calling you want princess; that doesn’t change the fact that the laws of the land are now going to be enforced and the WALL is being built. Need some more tissue snowflake!

        • LFOldTimer

          Jasenn – what about empathy for those millions of lawful immigrant applicants who submit their application forms for entry into the US, pay their fees, take their tests, learn the English language, provide biographical information for background and health checks, then are forced to stand in line for 10 years or more for a chance to come to America because illegals broke into the country and stole the jobs that the lawful immigrants could work? Where’s your compassion for the immigrants who play by the rules?

          How about some compassion for the American taxpayer who is forced to pay for the medical care and education (and oftentimes food & housing) for the ones who knowingly violate our immigration laws? Where’s our compassion for the taxpayers? Try to get some free medical care and education in Mexico next time you’re down there. See how much compassion you get.

          I don’t think you really know the definition of the word ‘compassion’, you use it so cavalierly.

          We love our legal immigrants who play by the rules.

          1325 is the law whether you like it or not. There are many laws that I disagree with. However, if I don’t obey them I get thrown in jail or fined or both.

          How can we absorb more immigrants when all of our jobs are going overseas? We have millions of homeless US citizens and veterans. Where is your ‘compassion’ for them?

          How many immigrant families do you personally house in your home and provide medical care and educations for? Zero. So why do you want to force the rest of us with that burden? Is that ‘compassion’?

          Trump is much less racist than Obama was. Obama couldn’t care less about the thousands of black folk gunned down in Chicago, his adopted hometown. Trump has actually voiced concern about it and has threatened to send in the Feds unless Raum Emanuel cleans it up.

          Your talking points are empty, Jasenn. You might get an “A” from your liberal socialist college professors for being a good parrot – but your opinions fall apart into pieces in the real world.

          • Jasenn

            Thank you for your clarification. Immigrants have to wait in line, not because of a despicable and racist dog whistle use of the term “illegals” but because of our ignorant right wing dominated, repressive knee-jerk policies put in place, without thought by both democrats and republican regimes. And why would you not want to pay for medical care, education, and free food and housing for those in need? Large international research studies have proven that free food, housing, education, and career counseling solves the homeless problem, with much less expense than our current system does. One need only look at the homeless encampments at the court house in Orange County or in LA, to see the abusive effect of repressive social policies. The Dow is above 20,000, so don’t tell me we have no funds for such programs. Homeless people, regardless of their citizenship status, costs you and taxpayers $billions more per year than a contingency management program of free housing, food, education, and medical care. Why don’t you argue for that, unless you have no experience or consciousness of what it is like to live on the street. nor care, nor have any clue about how to solve the problem outside xenophobic and racist policies? I would suppose that many of those folks are undocumented. Why did they cross the border? Most because they made a choice between crossing the border or starving, being murdered, raped or abused by the narco fascists, the authoritarian corrupt military and police regimes, same with those from Arab countries. We are becoming much like those repressive regimes. People didn’t steal jobs. They were offered jobs that no one else would do and gratefully took them. How many of your white-priveleged citizens would spend 14-15 hours per day bent over picking the produce that you enjoy? It seems like your extreme xenophobia is interfering with your perception of reality.

          • LFOldTimer

            Now you’re just being silly and throwing manure at the wall, Jasenn.

            All sovereign nations enforce border security and immigration laws. For good reason. You’re claiming the entire world is wrong and you’re right. Silly.

            “Illegal” is a legal term. Not a “racist” term. Those who violate the laws are “illegals”. Those who violate 8 USC 1325 are “illegal immigrants” whether you like the name or not. A Canadian can be just as “illegal” as a Mexican. It has to do with nationality – not race. Drop the race card.

            Only a liberal socialist would ask “And why would you not want to pay for medical care, education, and free food and housing for those in need?”

            There are 4 billion people living in poverty throughout the globe. Do you support bringing all of them to America for free heath care, free food, free housing and free housing? Come on, Jasenn. Grow up.

            The United States is not responsible to solve the global poverty problem by financing everyone’s social needs – regardless of what your liberal progressive college professors indoctrinated into you.

            Yes, they did steal jobs. The employers had no authority under law to give them jobs since they are illegals. The employers should be punished too. But that does not discount the fact that the illegals steal jobs from US citizens and legal immigrants. The jobs stolen are in manufacturing, construction, hospitality, transportation and child care. Many many US citizens and legal immigrant would take those jobs. The illegals suppress the wages too. No wonder people have a hard time paying their rents.

            The nations south of the border encourage their unwanted citizens (illiterate indigents) to illegally cross the US border and become the American taxpayer’s problem. They don’t want the burden of caring for their own impoverished citizens. How’s that for compassion?

            A very small percentage of illegals pick produce. That’s a lie propagated by the liberal socialists. The government issues thousands of agricultural worker visas for those who want to pick produce. Most illegals work jobs that US citizens and legal immigrants would gladly work for a living wage.

            I’m not xenophobic. I’m a US citizen who wants the integrity of his nation protected for future generations.

            Your attitude is very selfish and ignorant. You have compassion for lawbreakers but zero compassion for those who the lawbreakers violate.

            Your opinions are silly. Unless you have something better to offer no response is necessary.

          • Jasenn

            I support equitably distributing wealth, some 50% owned by the 1% to
            raise the 4 billion people out of poverty, including the 40-60 million
            in this country living in poverty, for no other reason than the sick
            greed that those who support the 1% and their greed maintain and their
            delusions of trickle down economics that never has proven to trickle
            down. As for humanity achieving a sane place in the world, I am right
            and the rest of the world is wrong with their delusional policies that
            deprive individuals of their basic right to a happy life. there are about 3 million farmworkers in the US, About 53% are undocumented. The lie is yours to own, if you are up to taking responsibility for your false beliefs. Your words and thoughts betray a xenophobe and angry white supremicist. Reread what you say. It is clear. You make up your own “alternative facts,” as nothing your say can be confirmed with unbiased government agencies who aggregate real facts. So who is “silly?”

          • LFOldTimer

            Hillary Clinton was the biggest supporter of the 1%. She was Wall Street’s darling. As soon as she lost the election the foreign donations to the Clinton Foundation Fund dropped by 75%. ha. Those weren’t donations. Those were bribes from the wealthiest people on the planet.

            It’s not America’s responsibility to save the rest of the world. We already give generously to poor nations. The poor nations need to pick themselves up by the bootstraps and make their own way instead of depending upon handouts from the wealthy nations for their survival.

            The agricultural work-visa programs provides all the LEGAL labor that the farmers need. Most of the illegal aliens live in the urban centers – not on the farms. They work jobs in manufacturing, construction, hospitality, transportation, maintenance and other industries where citizens and LEGAL immigrants need work. And they drive the wage down. One reason we have so many homeless is because the illegals stole their jobs.

            1/3 of the prison beds in California are occupied by illegal aliens. Are they doing work that Americans won’t do too?

            Your liberal socialist college professors filled your head full of propaganda mush.

          • Jasenn

            I agree about Clinton. She’s a neoliberal beholding to big money. She’s a neoliberal beholding to big money. I would
            never have agreed to run her on the demo ticket. Amusing that many of your pronouncements can be classified as “neoliberal” yet you criticize Clinton. You make false assumptions about “liberal socialist college professors.” College
            professors come in every political stripe.
            You don’t seem to hear factual statistics I cited about
            farm workers. About 1.5 million of more than 3 million are estimated to
            be undocumented. The 3 million accounts for a little less than 1/3 of the 11 million undocumented people
            in this country. Most of them work in jobs that the white-priveleged will generally not touch.

            The right wing inflated the statistics to justify their
            cruelty and destructive policies and to pump up their fascist base. You might read Mussolini’s essay where he defines fascism and compare it to the pronouncements and movements of the current administration. It is easily discoverable in a search engine. It will hopefully be a learning experience for you.

          • LFOldTimer

            Not so fast….Hitler was a liberal socialist who promoted fascism. If Hitler were an American he would be a card-carrying democrat.

            Trump is a moderate. He cancelled TPP – and the libs should love him for that. But they give him no credit. Pile on the negative – ignore the positive. Typical liberal propaganda

            Your stats on illegal immigrants farms workers strikes me as fake news. Farmers have access to all the legal farm workers they want through work visa programs. No need to hire illegals.

          • Jasenn

            In your refusal to accept facts and your missives, the only conclusion is that your gaslighting to get people on your side. You misinterpret history and accuse everything that you disagree with as “liberal propaganda” or “fake news” not dissimilar to our severely destructive and egoistic POTUS.

          • justanon

            “Hitler was a liberal socialist who promoted fascism.”

            What utter nonsense. I bet that idea came from some extra-special, super-smart blogger and then went viral among you righties who will believe anything, no matter how preposterous, as long as it justifies your world view.

            Really, you need to expand your reading to include actual historians, economists and political scientists.

            Bloggers living in their mama’s basements don’t count.

          • verifiedsane

            “We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic
            system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair
            salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to
            wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we
            are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.” – Adolph Hitler May 1, 1927

          • justanon

            Oooh, one quote out of context.

            That’s the ‘smoking gun’ alright, lol.

          • verifiedsane

            It’s like talking to a wall…oh that’s right! we’re building a glorious one 🙂

          • justanon

            Yes, trump is building a useless wall that we American chumps will pay for just to keep his racist base happy.
            I’m sure you’re giddy about it.

          • verifiedsane

            It’s comforting to know that people like yourself are relegated to far out reaches of the extreme fringe, and are so completely out of touch with America; that your opinions hold very little value, weight, or validity…just keep babbling away fruitcake…it matters not…

          • justanon

            I’d rather be a voice in the wilderness than be party to trump’s creeping authoritarianism.

            It’s always easier to go with the crowd, it takes more character and spine to stand up to evil.

            Shame on the weak and lily-livered who through their silence are allowing this madness to happen.

            As for trump’s supporters, you’re all a lost cause, easily fooled and filled with hate. I have nothing but contempt for you.

          • LFOldTimer

            Liberals are fascists. The socialists at UC Berkeley proved that last night when they used violence to squelch the free speech of a visiting speaker. Shame on them. They call everyone else nazis when, in fact, they’re just projecting their own hatred of liberty onto others.

            I hope Trump takes all Federal funding away from UC Berkeley for what happened yesterday. Raise their tuition by 200%. That’ll teach them to trample upon the rights of others.

          • justanon

            Right, you and trump, big league ignoramuses.

            Do you even know anything about the incident beyond what your right-wing echo chamber is saying?

            “UC Berkeley officials would not respond directly to the president’s tweet, but released a statement condemning the violent tactics used by some protesters “in the strongest possible terms.” The administration said it “went to extraordinary lengths” to prepare for the event, but that as violence broke out, university police determined they needed to evacuate Yiannopoulos for his safety.

            “Last night the Berkeley campus was invaded by more than 100 armed individuals clad in masks and dark uniforms who utilized paramilitary tactics to engage in violent destructive behavior designed to shut the event down,” the statement said.”

            http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/02/02/trump-tweets-at-uc-berkeley-no-free-speech-no-federal-funds

            And as for Berkley violating his Constitutional rights;

            “A state university, continues Cole, can only cancel an event if it meets the “clear and present danger test,” a doctrine defined by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1919. Under that ruling, free speech can only be limited by a law or agency if there is a clear and present danger to public safety and property.

            Unruly protestors don’t fall into that category, says Cole, unless they begin destroying property and hurting people.

            “If that happened during a campus event, then the university is required to stop them and seek discipline,” Cole says. “But it can’t do anything up to that immediate threat of disruption. It has to let the speakers speak, and the protestors protest. It must maintain that neutral marketplace. It’s required to walk a very narrow path.”

            https://alumni.berkeley.edu/california-magazine/just-in/2017-01-26/milo-yiannopouloss-college-tour-and-first-amendment-explainer

            Too bad we have such a hugely stupid POTUS.

          • LFOldTimer

            Thanks for the fake news.

          • justanon

            Yeah, the facts, you could watch the live feeds on you-tube and verify it for yourself, but you prefer fairy tales.

            Life in pathetic trump-world: inconvenient facts = fake news.

            You can’t get any more stupid and gullible than that.

          • verifiedsane

            Thanks for confirming that you are a card carrying communist. Next!

          • verifiedsane

            Please keep living in your “racist” open border fantasy world. You are so ignorant and misguided in your hate filled liberal nonsense; that there is zero room left for any further debate or rational dialogue.

            Finally, our immigration laws and national sovereignty will be honored/enforced, whether you happen to like it or not! Take that with you to your not so safe sanctuary space to chew on while munching on a big slice of hypocrisy pie.

            Do you happen to know what Mexico would do with Illegal immigrants! Why aren’t you there protesting those laws! Of course we know why correct: Mexico would not tolerate it!

            • Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,

            – “A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to
            five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the
            country illegally.” (Article 123)
            But it goes much much further! https://factreal.wordpress.com/2010/05/08/mexico-vs-united-states-mexican-immigration-laws-are-tougher/

          • Ima Fedup

            A little off track the subject of of immigration. But since you brought it up and as someone who works with the homeless 85% of the homeless I work with have mental health issues (something not being addressed in this country) and addiction issues, not because of they’re here illegally. Food helps in their survival and recovery. Something we could help with more if we weren’t giving money to non-residents.

          • Jasenn

            Replicated international research studies prove that to cure homelessness, using a contingency management program whereby homeless people are given a decent place to live, food, and living expenses and medical care, cures homelessness and costs far less than the current issue with homeless people using shelters, jails, E.R’s, etc.
            And, as a former mental health research scientist homelessness and the consequent insecurity and fear actually cause individuals to exhibit signs of mental illness. There is more than enough money to care for these individuals and to care for immigrants. However, it will take political will and solving right-wing opposition based on their irrational premises to allocate the money for such programs

        • Ima Fedup

          Ugh, what is it with you liberals calling everyone Xenophobic. I have no fear of foreigners. I do have empathy. However, potential immigrants can apply legally in their countries. Their crisis need can be assessed in the interview process which they all have to do.

          • Jasenn

            Ugh, what is it with your fascist, right wing ideologues calling everyone “liberals” who disagree with you?

    • verifiedsane

      What part of “illegal immigrant” are you unable to conceptualize….”Illegal” actually means that they are all criminals, and are actively in violation of the law of our nation. The California Dumocrats once again are futility attempting to apply more layers of propaganda lipstick to the illegal immigration pig; hoping beyond all rational hope that law abiding America’s won’t somehow recognize “illegal” for what it is.

  • PIFA123

    Waited and waited for our laws to be enforced. Deport criminals it is a no brainer folks. Sanctuary cities are B.S. arrest the people running them for disobeying the federal law. Once you arrest one all the rest will suddenly comply. If idiots did not run the country that poor dead girl Kate would be with her family today. She is one of many killed by criminal aliens hiding in plain sight. We the people demand safety. Get the hell out of our country we have enough of our own criminals.

  • Yvonne Hatch

    Finally, Thank God for Trump. …it’s about time….what’s Calif going to do to support these illegals now , without federal funding..?…..These illegals have damn near bancrupted this state….with Jerry Brown’s help……BS on Sanctuary Cities , this is America. ..!!!

    • Jacki Livingston

      That is bullcrap. Illegals do not get welfare, food stamps or medicaid, except for pregnancy and emergency. They contribute two dollars for every dollar they cost, they pay taxes and many serve in the military. In fact, in California, most of the people on welfare are white, and refuse to work. Stop with the Trumpian Alternate facts, it is just another word for steaming piles of poo.

      • justanon

        Undocumented immigrants also contribute billions a year into Social Security.

        The fools who believe trump and his immigration BS are, like trump, really just bigots at heart. They seek to make themselves feel better and bigger by kicking others, they have souls corrupted by hate.

        • verifiedsane

          some more fake news from the Communist News Network (CNN)…thanks for sharing

        • Jacki Livingston

          Trump lovers dream of a time when they didn’t have to compete with the brown kids and the black kids and any other kids on the playground. They don’t want to learn a second language or high tech. They are second rate, lazy, rude, the classic ugly Americans, and they want to rule. Trump has convinced them that they are special, and that they can be the bosses again, and that all of their problems are someone elses’ fault. So the four hundred pound loser in mama’s basement, sipping his Mountain Dew and driving around with his Confederate flag on his beat up truck thinks he can be the big dog again, if it weren’t for feminists and Syrians and some other group, instead of him being just a born loser. It is a sad and pathetic power play. The fact is, they have been taken in by a D list celebrity sociopath who is a child and wife abuser, the great Cheeto, the ultimate loser, who has cheated everyone who ever did business with him. He is the ultimate scum of the earth, a lowlife of the lowest order, and a complete embarrassment to the human race. Make no mistake about this, it is all racism. Trump supporters are the people we politely put at the small table at family reunions, that we ignored and sighed and told our kids that Uncle Fred was just not very bright. Sadly, these people are stupid enough to think that a man who has never done a thing for the working class is suddenly going to be their hero. It would be laughable, if it were not so dangerous. He is servicing Putin, and that is fine, except his kneepads are made out of American flags. No intelligent parents will allow their kids to serve in a Trump military. No intelligent person will obey his orders. He will spend whatever time till he is impeached fighting in court. In 2018, California will secede, they already have the votes and WA, OR is going with them. The Democrats will take back Congress and the Governorships. By then. hopefully, Trump and Pence will be gone. The only good from this nightmare will be the lesson that both parties need to find new leadership. The Dems will go to 2020 with a Kennedy/Obama or Harris ticket, and hopefully the GOP will find new blood, away from Ryan. But Trumpian brands of evil could easily lead to civil war. Maybe it is time for that. Maybe it is time to divide the union. We really are so polarized, we have nothing in common anymore.

          • Ima Fedup

            Wow a tirade of hate from another crazy liberal. Just for your information. I am a conservative Republican who is currently learning a second language. I work 60 hours a week and I am raising a family (anyone with kids will tell you that’s a job in itself). I am hardly lazy. I also have a husband who is an immigrant to this country. He did it legally, was investigated (vetted), had to sign paperwork stating he would not accept any welfare, unemployment benefits, or food stamp assistance, and he never has. I am educated and come from a family that has many tech savvy people, engineers, rocket scientist, and computer programmers. I do not weigh 400 pounds, or live in a basement. I do however enjoy an occasional sugary soda, delicious! I have many friends who are brown, black, yellow, white, and red and I do not fly a Confederate flag, although, I would love to own a truck one day. If ranting like you just did makes you a feminist, I don’t want to be one (borders on crazy like most men feel women are already). Immigration policies need to change period. We are a country of laws. I welcome all immigrants to the country who do it legally. Not those who break our laws to get here then use the system to their advantage. I can point out many, but I mostly wanted to point out your grossly inaccurate portrayal of Trump supporters. Try to have a great day, though I fear it may be impossible with your level of hate and contempt towards your fellow man.

          • LFOldTimer

            Well said, Ima.

            You make perfect sense.

            Thank you for being a good solid American citizen.

          • Jacki Livingston

            Lady, you don’t know squat about me. And you are lazy, because you have no idea of the evil going on right here in the OC government, and that is why scum like Spritzer keep getting away with ripping you off, because you are too busy pointing your fingers at immigrants, you don’t demand the truth about the abuse, murder, assault and attacks on helpless clients in nursing homes here. I had a great career, too, muffin, and it was taken by corrupt government officials who sell drugs out of their office and tell employees not to question fraud. I did right by my clients, and by my employers, that would be YOU, and not one person lifted their voice to call the BoS, Spritzer, VoC the District Attorney or anyone to ask why. So excuse me if I don’t buy into your ‘Minivan Patriot, I’m not lazy, I have lots of minority friends Trumipian high standards speech, because I have seen no evidence of that. All I see in Orange County are lazy taxpayers too stupid to see they are being robbed of millions a year , and some of the sleaziest criminal officials, doing business with mob connected owners who abuse, neglect and kill my clients, and when I obeyed the law and fought for client and taxpayers? I lost EVERYTHING, and no one spoke for me, even though I have BOXES of evidence. So go kiss Spritzer and Trump with that mouth…you’re boring me.

      • ProudBrown

        Undocumented people DO NOT, AND CANNOT SERVE in the military. Only citizens and permanent residents can enlist in the military. I do not understand what the problem is? We need a better vetting programs. Just ask those families that lost loved ones in San Bernardino. The wife of the couple that shot all those people came in through the present vetting system and is thought to have been the one that radicalized her husband. The current order is for only 90 days. That goes for anyone, of any religion, seeking entry to the US from the 7 nations.

        • Jacki Livingston

          We have more home grown nutters than imported ones. How about the families in Oklahoma City. This fear of Muslims is unfounded and ridiculous.

          • ProudBrown

            Jacki Mark Mcvay and his pal bombed the Federal building pre-911. Since that time the attacks have been inspired by radicalized Muslims. So I find nothing wrong with the 90-say ban to improve our vetting. No one had a problem when peez Obama banned Muslims from Iraq for 6 months. It was for security reasons.

          • justanon

            Just as spelling and grammar help one’s ability to communicate through writing (hint, hint) so does a knowledge of facts and figures help one form good opinions and arguments.
            Right-wing extremists account for 56% of domestic terror attacks in this country.

            “A synopsis of radical-right terrorist plots, conspiracies and racist rampages since the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995. It includes a roster of murdered law enforcement officials.”
            https://www.splcenter.org/20100126/terror-right

          • Jacki Livingston

            If it were fair. But DumpTrump gives a pass to countries like UAE that he does business with, that have known terrorists. That is crap.

          • ProudBrown

            Those nations were the ones that President Obama had selected:

            In December 2015, President Obama signed into law a measure placing limited restrictions on certain travelers who had visited Iran, Iraq, Sudan, or Syria on or after March 1, 2011. Two months later, the Obama administration added Libya, Somalia, and Yemen to the list, in what it called an effort to address “the growing threat from foreign terrorist fighters.”

            This is why these particular 7 nations were chosen.

          • Jacki Livingston

            Nononononononononononono, Trumpies do not get to blame Obama for the choice of their hate mongering Nazism. No. That doesn’t fly. Trump cannot possibly say he chose something because Obama said so. That is a stinking pile of poo.

          • LFOldTimer

            Facts are facts.

            ProudBrown is correct. Those are the facts.

            Trump only piggybacked on Obama’s former policies.

          • Jacki Livingston

            So the fact that he profits from the nations he ignored had nothing to do with it. Puhleeeeeeeze. Right. Excuse me while I puke. Trump has never done anything in his life that didn’t serve his personal pocketbook. He is a self serving pig, a waste of human space, not to mention the personification of evil in the world. Trump does just what he wants. He is not my President, never will be. I can’t wait for his fall. I will throw a party.

          • justanon
          • verifiedsane

            Jacki, your comments are getting more unhinged, ridiculous, and unraveled with each passing day…please take pause for a just moment for a nice long slow rational deep breath.

          • Ima Fedup

            She’s not saying he’s claiming that because Obama said so. She saying it as a point of comparison. Trump hasn’t done anything that your hero Obama hasn’t done. All you liberal are just going to hate everything that Trump just on principal because he’s not Hillary. Calm down already.

          • Jacki Livingston

            First of all, sweets, I am not a liberal. Second of all, your fuhrer will never be as successful as ANY of his predecessors, because he is a giant sociopatgic toddler with a fantasy of people too dumb to tie their own shoes.

      • LFOldTimer

        Untrue. There is an incredible amount of identity theft and welfare fraud in OC – and illegal foreigners benefit the most. Why is everything at SSA printed in Spanish? To become a US citizen a foreigner must be proficient in the English language. A citizen wouldn’t need a Spanish translation. Think.

        “They contribute two dollars for every dollar they cost, they pay taxes and many serve in the military.”

        Stop with the fake news. Most pay no income tax at all. If they do pay social security taxes then they committed identity theft – a felony. You have to have a green card, at minimum, to serve in the military.

        I guess you don’t know that according to the Inspector General of the Treasury Dept, in 2010 illegals collected over $4 billion in child tax credits.

        Someone making $8/hr pays virtually nothing in taxes, especially if he or she has kids.

        Yet it costs the taxpayers $12,000 to educate each kid, plus they get free medical. Illegals 19 years old and younger entitled for Medi-Cal.

        Claiming illegals contribute $2 for every dollar they cost is one of the biggest whoppers I’ve ever seen. lol.

        All an illegal female has to do is drop a kid in a US hospital and she’s on the gravy train forever. Lotto time.

        Nice try.

        • Jacki Livingston

          They pay taxes on everything they buy. They pay taxes on every check. They pay into social security, but cannot collect till they have legal standing. And they can get a green card to serve in the military and many did. I say bravo to that.

          • LFOldTimer

            1. No they don’t. Most store purchased food is non-taxable. Food is one of the biggest ticket item expenses in any household. And 2nd hand stuff is non-taxable. Services aren’t taxed. So sales tax revenue collected from illegals would be a paltry amount.

            2. If they pay into social security they stole someone’s identity – which is a felony. And if they work without proper authorization – they violated our Federal and State labor laws. That would amount to 3 separate violations of the law. Why should they get a pass if the rest of us are expected to follow the letter of the law?

            3. I certainly wouldn’t want an illegal foreigner who violated the law and broke into my country protecting my back on the battlefield. My preference would be to fight alongside a loyal American citizen. And most military personnel would likely agree with me.

          • Jacki Livingston

            They have work social security identity numbers. Yes, they do. They can do that.

            I think that if someone is willing to pick up a gun and stand to post and defend this country, then that shows a loyalty, and that perhaps it should be a requirement to become a citizen? To serve, in some way? I find it to be a good way to make up for it, especially if they came here as a child, through no fault of their own, to serve in the military or some other capacity, to prove loyalty.

          • LFOldTimer

            Hogwash. An illegal alien is not authorized under the law to have a social security #. Everyone agrees that illegals working in America is a violation of the law. Why do you think E-Verify is so controversial?

            A non-citizen must have a green card to enlist in the military.

            Coming here as a child is one thing. Sneaking into the country as an adult is another.

            If a foreigner wants to serve he or she can serve their own countries.

          • Jacki Livingston

            They have a work identification number. I have seen them. Clearly no one can tell you anything, so I am not going to bother trying.

          • LFOldTimer

            An ITIN # is not a SS#.

          • Jacki Livingston

            But they do pay in.

          • LFOldTimer

            Facts about an ITIN#:

            1. ITIN holders are not eligible to receive SNN benefits such as Earned
            Income Tax Credit (EITC) or any other social security benefits.

            2. The individual tax identification number, ITIN Number, does not allow immigrants to obtain legal status or the right to work in the U.S.

            3. The ITIN under no circumstances is a substitute for the SSN on the work authorization form (I-9).

            4. An individual cannot prove their legal status through an ITIN Number.

            Pay special attention to #2.

            Only LEGAL immigrants are allowed to work in the US and “pay in”.

          • justanon

            They might be illegally paying in to SSI, but pay in they do, to the tune of 12 billion dollars a year.
            Old people should be grateful.

            ” Thus, our projections suggest that the presence of unauthorized
            workers in the United States has, on average, a positive effect on the financial status of the Social Security program. For the year 2010, we estimate that the excess of tax revenue paid to the Trust Funds over benefits paid from these funds based on earnings of unauthorized workers is about $12 billion.”

            https://www.ssa.gov/oact/NOTES/pdf_notes/note151.pdf

          • LFOldTimer

            Not only do they commit identity theft (a felony crime) they also steal jobs from US citizens and legal immigrants – yet another crime.

            One thing we don’t need in America is more criminals.

          • justanon

            They don’t “steal jobs” they are given them by US citizens. Funny, how trump hasn’t gone after the job ‘suppliers’.
            I wonder why that is? Hmmm, could it possibly be that persecuting brown people excites his racist base? Or maybe it’s because he likes hiring undocumented workers himself, but that’s okay because his racist base will turn a blind-eye to those unpleasant facts.
            Yep, just give them some brown people to kick around and you can get away with any hypocrisy.

          • LFOldTimer

            First of all, illegals aren’t exclusively brown people. Your statement makes that assumption and is clearly racist. Then from the other side of your mouth you accuse others of being racists. Laughable.

            Knowingly accepting stolen goods is the same thing as stealing. It takes a village.

            Trump has indicated that he will mandate E-Verify and punish employers who hire illegals. Try to stay current with the news. The man has only been in office for 11 days. Chill out and be patient.

          • justanon

            So what about trump’s history of hiring undocumented workers? Do you think (if that’s possible) that that might be why he didn’t go after the US citizens that hire undocumented workers first?
            After all, it’s easier and more humane to go after those who hire undocumented workers in order to get cheap labor than to go after the folks just trying to survive.
            But, nah, we all know it’s a lot more fun and entertaining for his racist base to be able to terrorize brown people.
            You can try and deny that race has anything to do with this, but I’ve seen it first hand, you people don’t care a whit about anybody but illegal hispanics. Otherwise, why not a wall on our Canadian border?

          • LFOldTimer

            I haven’t seen any evidence that Trump knowingly hired illegals. Is that more fake news?

            Trump targeted the illegals first to stop the flow of illegals from coming across the border.

            “Humane” has nothing to do with it. It’s not “humane” to steal jobs or to commit identity theft either. Is it???

            I don’t care what the illegal person’s skin color is. If a white Canadian enters the country illegally, steals ID and jobs – I want him or her kicked out of the country too.

            Your emphasis on race makes it appear that you may be “racist”.

            We don’t have an on-going problem with millions of Canadians walking across our northern border to steal jobs and get free stuff. A wall on the northern border wouldn’t make any sense.

            Did I answer all your questions?

            Oh, btw, here are LAPD’s most wanted criminals: 9 of the top 10 are illegal aliens:

            http://www.lapdonline.org/all_most_wanted

            Do you still support sanctuary cities? LOL.

          • justanon

            Well, trump’s stopping the flow of undocumented worker’s across the border is a solution without a problem as we’ve had negative “illegal” immigration in the last few years. So where’s the fire?
            https://www.wsj.com/articles/mexican-immigration-to-u-s-reverses-1447954334

            http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/

            And you haven’t answered my question if it’s not about race, why no wall with Canada?

            The fact’s about trump hiring undocumented workers;

            http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431933/donald-trump-foreign-workers-american-workers-arent-good-enough

            http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/08/trump-tower-was-built-on-undocumented-immigrants-backs.html

            http://time.com/4465744/donald-trump-undocumented-workers/

            Oops, hypocrite?

          • LFOldTimer

            Negative immigration? HAH!

            The border patrol says there are more illegal immigrants crashing the border today than ever. And Obama mandated a “Catch & Release” order for 90% of them, meaning that they are detained at the border then released into the US with a deportation hearing that they fail to honor 95% of the time.

            800,000 illegals alone have been issued driver’s licenses just in California!!! WHERE’S THE FIRE??? HAH!!!

            I read your dumb news links. I guess you didn’t. There was no proof that Trump ever knew illegals worked on his work sites. Besides, Trump didn’t hire the workers. Contractors and subcontractors did.

            Trump has hired thousands of legal hispanics, proving he’s not racist. A white racist would only hire other whites. Duh???

            I noticed that you had no comment on the LAPD’s most wanted list. Laughable!!!! LOL!!!!

          • justanon

            Them be the delusional right’s “facts”.

            Yes, we’ve issued 800,000 driver’s licenses but that doesn’t mean those people just came streaming over the border, that is a huge failure in logic, lol.

            Why don’t you find some actual numbers verified by research and provide links?

            You didn’t read the articles I cited as they did show trump knew, excuses, excuses. Not surprised.

            Again with pathetic exclamation marks. Hint; they don’t make your ridiculous assertions more valid, they just make you look foolish and desperate.

          • LFOldTimer

            I don’t care how they came across the border…whether they walked, ran, jumped, catapulted, swam, drove, grew wings and flew……that’s irrelevant.

            The fact that they came across the border and are on US soil illegally is all that really matters.

            Who needs links? Illegal is illegal.

            If there are 800,000 illegals who applied for California DL’s – how many total illegals are there in the state? Multiply that number by at least 5. And that would be over 10% of the total population.

            The appellate court ruled that there was no proof that Trump knew. I believe the courts over you.

            You are foolish for refusing to acknowledge the truth.

            Any more questions?

          • justanon

            You’re dodging the point, which is that we’ve had negative “illegal” immigration with Mexico for the last few years, so why build a wall now?
            And if “illegal” Mexican immigration is not a problem right now then it’s just racism pushing this forward because otherwise we’d be building a wall on out Canadian border as well.

            As for trump knowing, yeah, believe the habitual liar over sworn depositions by many people, from the Time article:

            “The men were putting in 12-hour shifts with inadequate safety equipment at subpar wages that their contractor paid sporadically, if at all. A lawyer for many of the Poles demanded that the workers be paid or else he would serve Trump with a lien on the property. One Polish worker even went to Trump’s office to ask him for money in person, according to sworn testimony and a deposition filed under oath in a court case.
            For help, Trump turned to Daniel Sullivan, a 6-ft. 5-in., 285-lb. labor consultant, FBI informant and future officer of the Teamsters Union. “Donald told me he had difficulties …,” Sullivan later testified in the case. “That he had some illegal Polish employees on the job.”

            Sullivan had been helping Trump negotiate a casino deal in New Jersey at the time, and he testified that he was shocked by Trump’s admission. “I think you are nuts,” Sullivan testified that he told Trump. “You are here negotiating a lease in Atlantic City for a casino license and you are telling me you have got illegal employees on the job.”….

            …..”But thousands of pages of documents from the case, including reams of testimony and sworn depositions reviewed by TIME, tell a different story. Kept for more than a decade in 13 boxes in a federal judiciary storage unit in Missouri, the documents contain testimony that Trump sought out the Polish workers when he saw them on another job, instigated the creation of the company that paid them and negotiated the hours they would work. The papers contain testimony that Trump repeatedly toured the site where the men were working, directly addressed them about pay problems and even promised to pay them himself, which he eventually did.”

            Yeah, the trump way: lie, deny, lie some more and pay a lot of lawyers.
            Only foolish, gullible suckers, would believe his crap.

          • LFOldTimer

            The final appellate court ruled that the evidence did not show that Trump knew there were illegals working at the construction site – regardless of the claims in your personal narrative, Perry Mason.

            The court’s ruling trumps your insignificant opinion.

            The wall is being built on the southern border as opposed to the northern border because more illegals are crossing the southern border. duh?

            Still that does not mean that all illegals in the US have brown skin as you alluded. That was a very bigoted statement. Illegals come in all different skin colors from all over the world.

          • justanon

            Excuses, excuses, trump even had “John Barron” use intimidation tactics in the case and we all know who “John Barron” really is. Yeah, you can believe the compulsive liar or the facts.

            “The judge found against Trump, his partner, and the contractor, saying they had joined in a “conspiracy.” Stewart found that Trump’s man on the scene, Thomas Macari, “was involved in every aspect of the demolition job.”
            “He knew the Polish workers were working ‘off the books,’ that they were doing demolition work, that they were non-union, that they were paid substandard wages with no overtime pay, and that they were paid irregularly if at all,” the judge found.
            Stewart suggested that it would have been difficult for anyone not to notice the Polish Brigade.
            “The Polish workers were obvious not only in numbers but also in appearance,” the judge found. “In contrast to the union workers, the nonunion Polish workers were distinguished by the fact that most of them did not wear hard hats.”
            Trump appealed. The Second Circuit returned a complicated opinion, overturning part of the decision and referring it for “further proceedings.”
            The appeals court found that if the Trump parties had not known of the Polish workers, “they should have known.”

            The case was settled and the sealed. So we’ll never know how much trump had to pay to get out of that one, but hey, there’s still the undocumented workers who they found working on the Old Post Office hotel job. Are you going to deny that too?
            Can you see a pattern here?

          • justanon

            You do know that sanctuary city status wouldn’t protect those individuals on the LAPD list? Just right-wing hyperbole, trying to stir up racist hysteria.

          • LFOldTimer

            A sanctuary city called San Francisco protected Kate Steinle’s murderer who had previously been deported 5 times for felonies.

            You’re clueless.

          • justanon

            Yep, that guy slipped through the cracks, just like prison’s sometime’s release the wrong guy. You don’t make public policy based on the exception to the rule.
            They use these cases to scare simpletons into making bad policy.
            Sanctuary city laws actually help law enforcement.

          • LFOldTimer

            Oh stop it.

            SF is a sanctuary city. The jailers knew he was illegal and had been deported multiple times. They released him anyway and he murdered a young vibrant American woman who had her whole life ahead of her.

            Let’s accept reality.

          • justanon

            Yep, so predictable, one murder by an undocumented idiot and you want to deport millions of people, yet about 4 kids are killed by guns everyday in this country and somehow we “can’t” do anything about that.

            Fools making policy based on hate, that’s how we’ve gotten to this upside-down world.

          • LFOldTimer

            Kate Steinle is just one example. There are hundreds more who have been murdered by illegal foreigners in the country. And there are thousands who are victims of crimes committed by illegal foreigners. One-third of the prison beds in California are occupied by illegal foreigners.

            Get a clue.

  • verifiedsane

    Finally, “illegal” actually means “illegal”….how is the confederate state of “Calimex” going to handle that reality…proclaim civil war against the union…

    • LFOldTimer

      GO TRUMP GO!!!

      RESTORE CIVILIZATION IN AMERICA!

    • Jacki Livingston

      California will secede in 2018. Then we can flip Herr Trump the big middle finger.

      • justanon

        I hope it happens.
        Not only could we disassociate from the backward southern states and their “philosophies”, but we wouldn’t have to support their *sses either.

        • Jacki Livingston

          Amen.

      • LFOldTimer

        Jacki – The Feds own 45% of the land in California.

        Who’s going to write the check to purchase that land from Uncle Sam and where’s the money going to come from?

        • Jacki Livingston

          Maybe the 26 billion dollars a year that we pay to support the lazy red states?

          • LFOldTimer

            $26B wouldn’t even be the down payment.

      • Ima Fedup

        No they won’t. Go to your safe place and hug/cry it out because it will never happen!

        • Jacki Livingston

          You need to catch up, dearies. We already have the votes, thanks to the giant cheeto and his evil ways.

  • LFOldTimer

    Let me remind everyone. The US Constitution under Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4 gives Congress (The Federal government) the exclusive authority to: “To establish a uniform rule of naturalization”. State and municipal governments have no such authority. Congress establishes immigration law. States and municipal government are required to follow it and comply with it. Period.

    Obama sued Arizona over SB 1070 for interfering with Federal immigration laws. All the libs and progressives cheered him on. Now that Trump wants to punish state and local governments for interfering with Federal immigration laws – the libs and progressives call him ‘evil’. Hypocrites!

    The state and local governments demand that common citizens obey the laws that they enact….OR ELSE. Now we have California State and local government defying Federal law and releasing dangerous criminal aliens back into our communities placing ordinary US citizens in great danger (reference the Kate Steinle case…a beautiful young woman who was gunned down by an illegal felon previously deported 5 times released by the San Francisco libs from jail after the commission of yet another crime).

    Mr. Gerda – you forgot a provision in Trump’s executive order. If an illegal alien is released from a local jail without providing ICE with advance notice and that illegal commits a heinous crime like murder – those who were responsible for the release of that illegal can be charged as accessories to the crime.

    State and local lawmakers took sworn oaths of office to uphold the laws and defend the Constitution. Those elected officials who openly defy Article 1, Section 8, Clause 4 of the US Constitution are in violation of their sworn oaths and are unfit for office. Resign your seats!

    How dare those childish state and local officials demand that we obey their enacted laws while they refuse to obey Federal law.

    Miami-Dad County in Florida has already caved on its sanctuary city. They see the writing on the wall. Santa Ana, Los Angeles, San Francisco and all the other California criminal aiding and abetting cities are sure to follow. Otherwise Trump will drain their federal funds.

    Grow up. If you don’t like secured borders and immigration laws that make us a sovereign nation – go change the laws. In the meantime – be civilized adults and follow the laws. Stop being aiders and abettors.