• The_Dread_Pirate_Roberts

    What ever happened to the McKinney Vento Act and the prioritization of housing for the homeless on surplus federal property? Somehow they got screwed at El Toro. This should not have happened.

  • Yvonne Hatch

    Kudos to Mr Ely…..I totally agree with this article. …These homeless need a place to be & there are not enough shelters for them…

  • Lori Moore

    Mohammed Aly lives no where near the encampment number one. Another out of towner trying to make us feel guilty for not wanting to live amongst drug dealers and thieves. My children get to have their cars urinated on… 2 of my sons have had their car broken into and one of them … his wallet was later found at the riverbed site of a poor homeless junkie. Like he says… these are human beings, what are my kids? dogs?… why should we have to live like this and pay property taxes etc. Mr. Aly, go to hell…or? come and live a mile from the encampment like I do… same thing.

  • Cynthia Ward

    I have a question, and NOBODY will answer this for me. We hear law enforcement and elected officials insist that people are moved on ONLY when they have REFUSED offers of assistance. So when we say “they have no place to go” does that mean no place to go OTHER THAN the help offered by the County prior to officials coming in to clear the place for a public works project? Or was assistance NOT offered by the County? Same with Anaheim. Are people being harassed to make them move on or are they being hassled to move on because they won’t come in from public property to accept the help being offered. because there is a difference between “no place to go ” and “no I like it here where I can get high and be left alone without rules” and I want to know if my government is lying to me or not. Are those being hassled NOT being offered help? or have they declined it? And yes I KNOW there are many reasons for declining help including being so mentally ill and off meds someone doesn’t understand how bad life has become, this is not about whether people are choosing homelessness but I want to know if my tax dollars are NOT being spent to offer assistance. Someone who has been out there needs to PLEASE report if the homeless are being offered help and are declining it and if so WHY are the offers not meeting the needs? Or are offers of help purely fictional to cover cops wanting to hassle the homeless out of town and make them “not our problem anymore?” Someone tell me what is going on out there please!

    • OCservant_Leader

      According to The County’s stats (which I would be VERY suspicious of) – the County is currently 3,000 homeless beds short.

      • justanon

        Subsidized housing. The problem begins with a lack of subsidized housing and will end with adequate subsidized housing.
        For some it will be temporary and for others, lifelong subsidies.
        Until we come to grips with the fact that as a society we have to provide for those who for whatever reason can’t provide for themselves we will have a homeless problem.
        This is a choice.

        • LFOldTimer

          If you used your common sense you would realize that there will always be more homeless than there are shelters or homes to house them.

          Let’s fantasize for a minute. Let’s pretend that Orange County built enough homes to house every homeless person in the county and eradicated homelessness.

          How long do you think it would take homeless people from RIverside, Los Angeles and San Diego to come to Orange County demanding a home?

          Everywhere I’ve lived for my entire life there have been homeless people. Society used to call them ‘bums’ or ‘hobos’. You can’t solve that problem because for every home you create for a homeless person there will be one more homeless person who demands free housing.

          If Orange County built a free home for everyone who wanted one – 60% of Orange County would be living in a free home.

          You can never eradicate homelessness. The best society can do is offer the homeless person the resources to afford a place to live like most other people in our society. You can lead a horse to water – but you can’t make him drink. That’s an individual choice.

          • justanon

            What “resources” would those be (rather than address all your “notions” please, just answer this question)?

          • LFOldTimer

            Whoever receives a benefit must do something in return to earn it.

            Anaheim has the right idea. Offer the homeless $9.hr jobs – meals and a bed to sleep in at night. Sure beats sleeping next to the river rocks or under a bridge.

            The jobs might be menial – such as picking up litter, cleaning walls or sweeping streets. But it gives a person a sense of being productive and the satisfaction of developing a routine like most of civilized society participates in daily.

            Idle hands are the devils workshop. Put the homeless to work and give their lives purpose.

            How’s that for a resource?

          • justanon

            That bed, is subsidized housing.

          • LFOldTimer

            But they actually have to perform a task to earn that bed.

            That was my point, in case you missed it.

          • justanon

            No, the point was subsidizing housing.
            Someone else is providing (and paying for) that bed and shelter, which is the very definition of “subsidized housing”.
            Most of these folks will never be able to fully provide for themselves, which is why we need to subsidize their housing.

          • LFOldTimer

            You missed my earlier point.

            There will always be homeless people.

            For every home you create for one homeless person there will always be another homeless person in need.

            In fact, the notion of free homes would create new homeless people looking for a free home.

            That’s why it’s important to make people earn their benefits.

            Eventually they would learn to be self-sufficient.

            Otherwise 60% of the population would stop working and demand a free home.

            Get it yet???

          • justanon

            I never said provide “free homes”, I said we need to subsidize their housing, which if we want to eliminate homelessness (by and large) we have to do. You just admitted as much.

            And of course you are wrong, most people want to work and be self-sufficient, but there will always be a small percentage of people who are ‘free-riders’.

            Unfortunately instead of accepting that fact and dealing with them, conservatives would rather punish everyone to make sure those folks don’t get a dime. Conservatives would rather starve everyone than have one undeserving person get a crumb.

            That’s why regressive and punishing conservative policies always make things worse for everyone.

          • LFOldTimer

            The democrats love to control people by making them dependent on government hand-outs. And when you give people free-sh*t – naturally you get their votes too.

            Although I don’t agree with all Republican Party members (many of whom behave like democrats) the general philosophy of small government makes much more sense that big government that has created a perpetual welfare society (like we have today in California).

            Look at the City of Santa Ana. It used to be safe and a respectable family-oriented bedroom community.

            The democrats turned it into a war zone and bastion of criminality.

            That’s real world proof for ya!

            Look at the Oroville Dam fiasco. Another disaster waiting to happen thanks to the democrats.

          • justanon

            Are you using your trumpian logic* now? You were just advocating for subsidized housing and now you’re railing against it as dependancy.

            When you make up your mind get back to me.

            *trumpian logic: when two opposing facts or ideas are presented as one.

            Ex: The rumors about his administration are fueled by “criminal leaks” and are also “fake news”. Ha, ha, ha.

          • LFOldTimer

            Most of your ilk expect taxpayers to give the downtrodden free housing with no expectations of anything in return.

            Millions already live in Section 8 housing. The ghettos are full of them. Free boarders.

            Housing should only be provided to those who work for their room and board.

            If someone refuses to kick their drug habit and is opposed to holding down a job – then perhaps the street is the best place for him or her.

            Small government helps people help themselves.

            Big government gives hand outs and makes people dependent – like the relationship between a drug dealer and his addict.

            And I noticed you failed to respond to my comment on Santa Ana – a democrat run failed experiment. Typical.

          • justanon

            Most of the chronic homeless in the riverbed and civic center are the folks who can’t or won’t hold down a job.

            If we want those folks off the street we have to subsidize their housing.

            We have to decide what kind of society we want to live in, one where we let them live in the gutter and sh*t on the sidewalks or one where we provide some basic humanitarian support.

          • LFOldTimer

            If an able-bodied person refuses to earn his or her keep – why should I be forced to “subsidize” their existence?

            I’m not opposed to them living on the street if that’s what they want, as long as they don’t interfere with others.

            But I am interested in helping the homeless who are actually looking for a way out of that lifestyle. But that would require work on their part.

          • justanon

            I remember the first time I went to Tijuana as a child (a long time ago) and seeing crippled people in rags begging on the sidewalk and thinking I was so glad that that was not how my country was.

            I can’t say that now. Now I’m ashamed of how back *ssward our country is. We are the richest nation in the history of the world yet we can’t even provide basic services for our poor and needy.

            This is a choice on whether we want to be a first world nation or a third world one.

            P.S. I hope the homeless sh*t on the sidewalk in front of your house.

          • LFOldTimer

            If we give everybody a free home we won’t be a first world nation for long.

            The poor & needy have to make an effort to help themselves too. The taxpayers shouldn’t be forced to help someone for a lifetime who make a career of being poor & needy.

          • justanon

            “free homes”, yeah that’s what we’re advocating, a mansion in every pot.

            You’re ridiculous, no wonder we can’t find a solution to this problem when we have to cater to and address foolish and ridiculous exaggerations by people who’s only real motivation is to feel superior to others.

            How pathetic.

          • LFOldTimer

            It is a free home for someone who doesn’t have a pot to spit in or a window to throw it out of. How are they going to even pay rent?

            Shelters with community living quarters (like barracks in the army) is fine. In fact, I think we should have more shelters. Each city in OC should have a shelter for the homeless. But individual homes is going to far unless the able-bodied recipient holds down a job and pays for his or her individual home. Like everyone else has to do in society.

            That’s not asking too much.

            But free homes? Forget it. Otherwise I want my free home too!

        • OCservant_Leader

          You speak the TRUTH, but the BOS…Can’t handle the truth.

          Seriously, these Elites do NOT understand or care about this issue.

          Their underhanded, surprise attack on the homeless and their retreat is disgraceful.

    • LFOldTimer

      You ask some great questions, Cynthia. I have yet to see an article in any local media source that informs the public what resources are readily available to the homeless. I know there are county reps who individually meet with the homeless at the bus depot shelter to assess their needs. So I assume some help is available.

      I am a proponent of a ‘hand up’ not a ‘hand out’. The last thing we want is more people dependent upon the government for their survival. I believe Anaheim is on the right track by offering $9/hr jobs, meals and a place to sleep at night. The recipient of services must be willing to cooperate and give something back for the services provided. I realize that some are mentally ill. And they need to accept treatment. And all illicit drug use must stop. Recovery is a two-way street. The only people who can truly be helped are those who want to help themselves. There’s a certain segment of the population who are resistant to improving their lives, no matter what help is made available.

      I too would like to know what resources are available to the homeless. Maybe someone with hands-on experience could provide us with some facts.

    • Jamie Ludovise

      They are saying they will bring the homeless residing on the riverbed to the courtyard in Santa Ana – but it is already packed FULL. Plus a lot of these people have dogs which are not allowed there, and there is not enough space for all of their possessions either. Not that any of that matters since it is literally full and they are not accepting anymore people. So right now they are just moving to the other side of the riverbed where construction hasn’t started yet. If one of the people did agree to be relocated I have no idea where the sheriffs would bring them?

  • OCservant_Leader

    Mohammed Aly – keep up the good work.

    The OC Elite BOS are a shameful, corrupt bunch. Good luck.

  • Tito Bombaci

    Here ya go, folks.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/inspired-life/wp/2015/05/06/meet-the-outsider-who-accidentally-solved-chronic-homelessness/?utm_term=.ed62ce1694da

    Um, y’all really should pay closer attention to this guy Aly.

    Okay, so he’s a lawyer…meaning the fact that he is atypical of those in his peer class may make his extraordinary claims here suspicious.

    They are anything but. What he describes is ALREADY in place & PROVEN in real life in LOTS of places nationwide.

    Um? Oh yeah, sure…Just not in Orange County, California…hello, please check out the link in this comment for what you need to know.

    Then, IF YOU WANT TO BE PART OF THE SOLUTION (sorry for SHOUTING) um, pick up the phone & call, or email Mr Aly.

    Okay? Click here:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/inspired-life/wp/2015/05/06/meet-the-outsider-who-accidentally-solved-chronic-homelessness/?utm_term=.ed62ce1694da

  • David Zenger

    Wow. Ten uses of the perpendicular pronoun, one third person self reference and six uses of the first person possessive, and as indirect object – in just a few short sentences.

    And not even written by Spitzer.

  • Vern Pat Nelson

    “Housing first?” I don’t know, I think ending the criminalization can and should come before that. It costs nothing to stop jailing people for sleeping outside and taking their stuff.

    • Tito Bombaci
      • Vern Pat Nelson

        Good stuff, but still the decriminalizing should come first.

        • Tito Bombaci

          Wait…decriminawhat?

          First, let me thank you for responding & for being cordial about it.

          Back to what of course I would handily agree with…if I could find it.

          We certainly read that there is criminalization of being homeless…A status crime, in effect.

          But where? Florida. Texass. Arizona?

          I’m asking about Orange County, California. Maybe it’s a myth. Straw man argument?

          So, do we really? Do we see criminal charges marked “Violation of being homeless” like…ever? Vagrancy, even?

          Somebody needs to point my nose in the direction of that scent & I will find the stank.

          Until then, we should stay determined to build on the sweeping success of the Sam Tsemberis model, what I’m calling The Aly Plan for Orange Counry.

          Thanks again for the discourse 🙂

          • David Zenger

            “Somebody needs to point my nose in the direction of that scent & I will find the stank.”

            How about anti-camping ordinances? Of course they aren’t called “anti-homeless” ordinances, but as Anatole France famously said: “The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.”

            Hows that for stank?

          • Tito Bombaci

            Bingo. Now THAT’S stank.

            What I don’t know is how Coleman® likes having their industry challenged across the board like that, or others who make and SELL camping equipment for that matter.

            We might find some assistance in real terns from a camping equipment supplier…or his competitor 🙂 to assist what I think is the constitutionality challenge currently underway.

            How the hell do those ordinances even define “camping” anyhow?

            Thanks for the challenge to sniff out & deodorize stank like this, even though it doesn’t raise the phase “homelessness is illegal”

          • Vern Pat Nelson

            In Anaheim, and other parts of the OC, it is illegal to sleep in a tent and have other camping paraphernalia, or to be in a park after 10pm; and the police can seize your belongings if you leave them unattended – supposedly for a certain number of hours but in practice they’ve actually been taking possessions in the time it takes a homeless person to go to the bathroom, and even sometimes directly off them. I refer to changing these ordinances and policies, I believe correctly, as “decriminilization” of homelessness.

  • LFOldTimer

    This is a never ending problem that will only get worse until the brain trusts in government treat the actual causes of homelessness rather than just treating the symptoms.

    If you think it’s bad now just wait until the economy collapses (which is a certainty). About 1/3 or more of the OC population lives from paycheck to paycheck. Not everybody can move back in with mom and dad. The average rent is $1800. Toss in transportation costs, health care costs, food, utilities, entertainment, incidentals….someone making $15/$20 hr. struggles just to survive.

    Not all homeless people are drug addicts or ex-cons. Some fell on hard times by no fault of their own.

    If all OC homeless people made their new homes at 20 W. Civic Center Drive, filled the Tuesday BoS meetings and took to the podium for 3 minutes you’d be amazed at how fast the county would find creative solutions to the homeless problem.

    • justanon

      Yeah, the “actual causes of homelessness” which used to be addressed by subsidized housing until that jack*ss Reagan gutted HUD.
      Looking forward to more of the same under trump and his completely over-his-head HUD Secretary, Ben Carson.
      As a supporter of trump you have a lot of hutzpah acting like you care about the homeless and realistic solutions to the problem.

      • LFOldTimer

        What exactly did Obama do for the homeless? lol. The homeless population grew fourfold under his leadership. But I didn’t see you complain about that. Obama spent our money dropping thousands of illegal bombs and on hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians and children in the ME. Did you ever object to that? Did you ever see Obama visit a homeless encampment while in California? Nope!!! He went straight to Tinsel Town to solicit more dirty money from the Hollywood pigs.

        You have a lot of hutzpah criticizing a President who’s been in office less than a month when you gave a war criminal a complete pass for 8 long years.

        • justanon

          Obama cut the number of homeless veterans in half and he did it in spite of a Republican Congress.

          Heck yeah, let’s talk about how the traitor-in-chief is doing? Ain’t it great that he let a known national security risk continue to sit in on national security meetings? Is Amerika great yet, comrade?
          And let’s not forget his great Yemen raid, where he couldn’t be bothered to take the time to assess the situation and thirty civilians were killed including nine children.
          So you can shut your hypocritical mouth about killing innocent civilians and whoops, there goes another one:
          http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/22-civilians-killed-joint-raid-afghanistan-article-1.2970379.

          “Through HUD’s annual Point-in-Time (PIT) estimate of America’s homeless population, communities across the country reported that fewer than 40,000 veterans were experiencing homelessness on a given night in January 2016. The January 2016 estimate found just over 13,000 unsheltered homeless veterans living on their streets, a 56-percent decrease since 2010. View local estimates of veteran homelessness.
          This significant progress is a result of the partnership among HUD, VA, USICH, and other federal, state and local partners. These critical partnerships were sparked by the 2010 launch of Opening Doors, the first-ever strategic plan to prevent and end homelessness. The initiative’s success among veterans can also be attributed to the effectiveness of the HUD-VA Supportive Housing (HUD-VASH) Program, which combines HUD rental assistance with case management and clinical services provided by the VA. Since 2008, more than 85,000 vouchers have been awarded and more than 114,000 homeless veterans have been served through the HUD-VASH program.”
          https://www.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=2805

          • LFOldTimer

            That would be great if all homeless happened to be veterans. Unfortunately 90% of homeless people never served a day in the military. Stick some of this in your pipe and smoke it:

            http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-homeless-count-20160504-story.html

            http://www.scpr.org/news/2015/06/30/52799/head-count-shows-growing-homeless-population-in-or/

            All under Obama, baby!!!

            And when’s the last time Trump started illegal wars – like in Libya and Syria?

            All under Obama, baby!!!

          • justanon

            Yeah, when did Obama commit treason? Took little man-baby trump less than a month!

          • LFOldTimer

            Pants Suit lost.

            Git over it.

          • justanon

            This has nothing to do with Clinton and everything to do with the completely corrupt and traitorous a-hole who fools like yourself saw fit to elect as POTUS.

            I wonder what magnitude of incompetence, chaos and scandal has to occur before you trumpsters will admit that you were had.

            We all know that if any of this cr*p was happening under Clinton or Obama you would be demanding impeachment.

          • LFOldTimer

            Oh nonsense.

            You’re just being vindictive because your team lost. The dems lost the House, the Senate and the Executive Office and it eats away at you. Maybe the dems should stop backing idiot candidates who have nothing of value to offer.

            Oh, and you should go apply to be a fake news reporter at CNN. You’d fit in perfectly.

          • justanon

            Vindictive? Democrats didn’t force trump into Putin’s arms. The incompetent, traitorous boob went there all by himself.

            It must be hard knowing you were completely conned by trump, not even a month in and already it’s complete disaster.

            Since you obviously have incredibly poor judgement, maybe you should stop pontificating so much and start listening more. You just might learn something.

            Unfortunately (for VOC readers), it’s far more likely that you’ll spend the next four years screaming “fake news”, lol.

          • LFOldTimer

            Trump won 30 states and is fulfilling his promises to those 30 states. Something his predecessor failed to do.

            Had warmonger Hillary been elected we’d probably be at war with Russia today and counting incoming body bags at Dover AF base.

            Trump’s in Putin’s arms? ha. More delusional thinking and another great example of fake news.

            I hope Sessions prosecutes Hillary for perjury, obstruction of justice and national security crimes.

            Trump haters need to get over their butthurt.

          • justanon

            Yep, keep crying “fake news”, meanwhile trump’s National Security Advisor resigns in scandal with more on the way. How long can you pretend that it’s “fake”?

            The truth is just so embarrassing, isn’t it,lol?

            Oops, looks like it’s trump and his cabinet that need to be worried. Treason has serious repercussions.

            “‘He will die in jail’: Intelligence community ready to ‘go nuclear’ on Trump, senior source says”

            http://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/he-will-die-in-jail-intelligence-community-ready-to-go-nuclear-on-trump-senior-source-says/

            Schadenfreude sure feels good.

          • LFOldTimer

            Next to Pants Suit Hillary Flynn looks like a Sunday School boy.

            Treason??? HA. Your delusions have reached the point of being grandiose fake news.

            If Flynn does 2 Hillary should do 30. She’s one of the biggest crooks in US political history.

          • justanon

            If that were true all those republican investigations would’ve found something, but they didn’t. If it makes you feel better go ahead and fantasize, but in the meantime the FBI is trying to find some teeny tiny handcuffs. Ha, ha, ha.

            Honestly, how can you even defend this stuff? We can’t even get a straight story out of the White House. First it was Flynn resigned, next day it’s trump fired him and now trump’s claiming Flynn was railroaded. What an absolute clown show.

            Is this the kind of administration trump supporters envisioned? How can they even admit that they supported this idiot? These have been twenty six of the most embarrassing days in US history.

            When will trump supporters admit that they voted for an ignorant, reckless and mentally unfit bozo for POTUS?

            Where is the shame?

          • LFOldTimer

            Republican investigations?

            The lead agency that prosecutes is the DOJ that was headed by an Attorney General appointed by Obama. Hello???

            Now that Sessions in in charge we might actually see some laws enforced. Wouldn’t that be special???

            What Flynn did was child’s play compared to all the crap the Obama administration got away with.

            Do you recall “Fast and Furious” or has your selective memory forgotten? Not one Obama boy or girl was prosecuted for that.

            What we have currently is a feeding frenzy on Trump by the media and the crooked dems and neo-con republicans who can’t stand that a non-politician eliminated 16 season GOP candidates and Hillary the establishment’s darling. That’s the problem here.

            The old CROOKED GUARD wants business as usual and fools like yourself are supporting them.

          • justanon

            The Obama administration was one of the least corrupt and scandal free in US history and all the made up right-wing garbage can’t change that fact.

            Not one criminal indictment for anyone in the Obama administration over the entire eight years of his Presidency. In fact, it is the only administration since Watergate to end with zero criminal indictments.

            And you do know that ALL administrations appoint their own AG’s, not unique to Obama. Jeez you’d think you’d know this basic stuff, but then I forget, you’re a trump supporter and facts and reality don’t matter to you.

            “What we have currently is a feeding frenzy on Trump by the media…”

            Poor trump, he got 3 billion dollars in free advertising during the election, but now he can’t even take a question from anybody but a complete brown-nosing, sycophant. Can you say … bwak, bwak, bwak?

            And trump was one the biggest purveyors of name-calling, phony stories and bald-faced lies towards his opponents. Yeah, he sure can dish it out but he can’t take it. What a pathetic man-baby.

            His administration is in disarray because he’s mentally in disarray, this sh*t-show is all on him. Ha, ha, ha.

          • LFOldTimer

            “The Obama administration was one of the least corrupt and scandal free in US history…..”

            OMG. How %$&#&* laughable is that?

            1. Fast & Furious
            2. Illegal military interventions (Libya & Syria & Yemen).
            3. Creation of ISIS
            4. IRS Tea Party scandal
            5 Spying on journalists
            6. Illegal domestic spying via NSA.
            7. Benghazi lies and cover-ups. (perjury under oath to Congress)
            8. Hillary’s secret server
            9. ObamaCare (You can keep your insurance & doctor), It’s no tax.
            10. Trading Traitor Bowe Bergdahl for 5 Islamic Terrorists.
            11. The VA death-list scandal
            12. Solyndra and crony capitalism
            13, The secret Iranian ransom payment
            14, Eric Holder in contempt of Congress for hiding Fast & Furious.

            That’s only a small sample. My fingers are getting tired.

            Trump looks like an altar boy beside Obama & Hillary.

            You got nothin’ on Trump. All your accusations are more fake news.

            The dems got their hineys handed to them in Nov 2016 and you can’t stand it.

            LOL.

          • justanon

            Those ‘scandals’ were all made up in the right-wing fever swamps. Reality: no indictments. Ha, ha, ha.

            Truth is sad for right-wing nuts.

          • LFOldTimer

            Of course there were no indictments.

            Obama’s crooks were running the DOJ, which would be the source of the indictments.

            I had to figure that out for ya? lol.

            You said “The Obama administration was one of the least corrupt and scandal free in US history…..”

            I proved you wrong.

          • justanon

            For six years the republican’s were in charge of the House Oversight Committee, they ‘investigated’ everything they could think of, twice and came up empty handed.
            I know truth is hard for you to handle, especially as you are about to be confronted with a truly corrupt and treasonous administration of your own making.

            All I can say is it must s*ck to be a trump supporter, but the rest of us are stocking up on popcorn and getting ready to watch the towering inferno of the trump sh*t show, burn down.

            Good times (if the orange buffoon doesn’t blow up the country first), ha, ha, ha.

          • LFOldTimer

            Actually it’s great to be a Trump supporter. He’s in the White House.

            OTOH, the liberals lost the House, the Senate and the White House.

            That must really s*ck!!!

            In fact, it shows how much it s*cks with all your whining about Trump!

            lol.

          • justanon

            Yeah, but we may soon get the pleasure of seeing trump impeached and maybe even tried for treason.

            You on the other hand will have to face your poor judgement in supporting trump on a daily basis as his administration reels from one embarrassing crisis to another.

            How can you live with yourself knowing that you supported a traitor?

          • LFOldTimer

            Trump impeachment – yet more fake news!!! HA!

            Traitor? More fake news.

            You and Chicken Little ought to get a room together. lol.

          • justanon

            That’s all you got “fake news”?

            But..but..but trump said there were “criminal leaks” were they “fake news” too?

            Have fun twisting yourself into a pretzel in order to follow and defend trump’s never ending litany of contradictory statements and lies. Ha, ha, ha.

          • LFOldTimer

            You’re the queen of fake news. You’ve proven that repeatedly. I heard BuzzFeed is hiring! lol.

          • justanon

            How am I “the queen of fake news”?

            I can’t help it if trump says contradictory things and I quote them or are you denying the quotes themselves.

            Wow, you won’t even believe your own eyes and ears.

            Or do you think the “libtards” have a robo-trump that they have snuck into the White House to embarrass and create chaos for the real trump?
            If only. Ha, ha, ha.

          • LFOldTimer

            Calling Trump a ‘traitor’ or ‘treasonous’ and all the other superlatives that you’re known for is the height of fake news.

            The GOP won. You lost. Git over it.

          • justanon

            Umm, we already know that trump was informed that his National Security Advisor was a national security risk, yet trump allowed him in on national security meetings, for weeks.
            That’s treasonous behavior.

            Further, all the stories about trump and his staff’s contacts with Russian agents, if any one of them is proven, that too would be treason.

            This has the potential to be the biggest scandal in US history.

      • OCservant_Leader

        Can you speak to the “wait list” for low income housing in OC?

        I recall I heard this on PBR and I was shocked (but don’t recall the exact numbers for OC).

        Something like – no new housing in 20 years & 10 or 20k on wait list?

        • justanon

          That’s what happens when government programs that are working get gutted, they very rarely get brought back up to full speed.
          Once Reagan created 2 million homeless people the costs for re-housing them was far, far more than if the working programs, like subsidized housing, had remained in place.
          Regressive conservatism brought us this problem, let’s see the orange oaf solve it.
          All it’s going to take is money, money, money, lol.