OC Veterans Cemetery: Strawberry Fields Forever?

Jeff Antenore/Voice of OC

Governor Jerry Brown talked about supporting a veterans cemetery in Orange County at a Friday press conference in Irvine.

Governor Jerry Brown indicated it could be strawberry fields forever for Orange County veterans at a Friday press conference in Irvine, where he expressed fondness for a cemetery site near the 5 and 405 freeway interchange.

The freeway land, which is sandwiched between car dealerships located off the Northbound I-5 on large fields currently growing strawberries, could be the new home to the veterans’ cemetery if the Irvine City Council accepts a land swap proposal from developer Fivepoint.

Initially in Friday’s press conference, Brown wouldn’t say which site he preferred, instead leaving that to the city council. “Let the locals pick and we’ll back them up. So there it is.”

However, later in the press conference Brown indicated a fondness for the Fivepoint-owned freeway site.

“Obviously, I like (the) strawberry patch — ‘Strawberry Fields.’ Remember that song?” Brown told reporters.

Earlier this year, Irvine City Councilwoman Christina Shea introduced the idea of a land swap, with support from the developer, essentially trading a 125-acre site in the Great Park residential tract, already endorsed by the city council and the state legislature as a veterans’ cemetery, for the freeway property.

Council members back in 2014 authorized a 125-acre parcel in the Great Park residential tract and it was later also endorsed by state legislation sponsored by then Assemblywoman Sharon Quirk Silva (D-Fullerton).

That project seemed stalled until Irvine City Councilman Jeff Lalloway spearheaded a move to provide nearly $40 million toward final funding for the Great Park site – at the same meeting as Shea’s proposal was unveiled.

During a contentious and lengthy public hearing, veterans’ testimony seemed split between the freeway land and the Great Park site.

Yet at Friday’s press conference, virtually all veterans speaking to reporters supported the freeway site.

Officials, like Brown and Quirk Silva, say the debate has ultimately helped move the concept.

“Now that we have two (sites), it’s absolutely certain that Orange County will get the veterans’ cemetery that it deserves and the veterans deserve,” Brown said.

Brown wouldn’t say whether the state would commit nearly $40 million to the original site if the Irvine City Council chose to stick with it.

“Obviously, one always has to be careful with the spending of money. What do you get, what don’t you get. It will be looked at. But mostly the Irvine City Council has to make a decision and we can talk about it.”

Reached later for comment, Lalloway dismissed Brown’s Strawberry Fields comment and reiterated that during a private tour of both sites, Brown indicated he would support whatever deal locals struck.

“He believes in local control,” Lalloway said.

Irvine Mayor Donald Wagner said the city council should settle on a site by the end of June.

“At that point, we’re’ going to make — I’m hoping — a final decision,” Wagner said at the press conference.

Brown also reacted to questions about his sister’s ties to the developer.

Kathleen Brown, a former California Treasurer and current partner in the Manatt, Phelps & Phillips law firm, also sits on the board of directors of developer FivePoint.

It’s unknown whether she has played any role in deciding which site becomes the cemetery.

“I didn’t even know that — you’re telling me. My sister has a lot of working years ahead of her, so (Kathleen) doesn’t come to me for advice,” Brown said. “What’s the difference? They’re (FivePoint) part of this deal. Now, would you like me to get FivePoint out and then have nothing? So, I think it’s fine.”

FivePoint, in a land swap proposal presented publicly two weeks ago, said that they would help fund the first phase of construction of the cemetery on the freeway site.

If the Great Park site is selected, it could get an additional $10 million in federal funds but still would need about $30 million from the state.

Quirk-Silva, who secured the site through the state Legislature in 2014 during her first term in office, said she too found merit in the strawberry field site after touring the two different locations with Brown and other officials, including two FivePoint representatives.

“I … have been supporting the original site, but coming to see the new site, it’s definitely impressive. As the governor said, we’re going to be concerned with the cost,” Quirk-Silva said after the press conference.

Quirk Silva also said she wants to get more specifics on the FivePoint commitment regarding Phase one construction for a veterans’ cemetery.

Brown credited Quirk Silva for securing the original state legislation that enabled the veterans’ cemetery and said it was her influence that guided his interest and ultimately brought him to review the two sites.

Any change to the original site designation would likely require further legislative approvals as well as authorization from Brown.

Robert Brower, an American Legion finance officer and legislative commissioner, said  he and other veterans behind the push for the cemetery didn’t know the original Great Park site was going to cost $77 million to build out the first phase.

“We didn’t know until June of 2016, how much the cemetery was going to cost,” Brower said in an interview. “Almost half of that ($77 million) is demolition and cleanup of the old site.”

Quirk-Silva also expressed concern about the clean up of the original site.

“They did tell us that there are buried containers left from past usage … from the airfields,” said Quirk-Silva. “There are also several buildings that would have to be removed and a huge amount of concrete.”

Peter Katz, an Army veteran who served in Korea and Vietnam, said he also prefers the freeway site saying, “it’s cheaper for the state.”

Anaheim business leader Brian Chuchua, who also serves on the veterans’ foundation backing the Strawberry fields site, said the original site has too many cleanup and wildlife preservation issues.

“It’s going to take years to mitigate all of that,” Katz said.

According to a letter from FivePoint Chairman Emile Haddad, each site contains about 125 acres and no substantial zoning, traffic or environmental issues affect the freeway cemetery land.

To read the FivePoint proposal, click here.

FivePoint’s plan includes an offer to finance the first phase of the freeway site cemetery construction.

“The point is, we were given options on a cemetery location that was going to cost $77 million to build phase one. If I could get phase one built elsewhere, for less cost … I’m not concerned about what the developer may make,” Brower said.

The value of each site is unknown at this time and the Voice of OC is awaiting a public records request for the appraisals.

At its April 4 meeting, the council, in a split vote, decided to put $38 million toward the expected $80 million price tag on the Great Park site but also directed city staff to look into the potential land swap with FivePoint.

“This has evolved over the three years, but I think it’s very positive that we have two very distinct sites. Both have pros and cons,” Quirk-Silva said.

  • Carol

    So no more fields of strawberries in OC? Sad.

  • John Scott Horner III

    Now Assemblymember Quirk Silva says she won’t even ask for state money for a veterans cemetery until Irvine decides on a location. That isn’t the way this was supposed to work. What if Irvine follows Jeff Lalloway and Larry Agran and sticks to the original site, and then finds out that there is no state money? Will Irvine then spend the entire $77.5 million? Or will we vets then end up with nothing? I appreciate Quirk Silva’s original efforts, but I think she’s been mislead by Agran and Lalloway into doing what’s worst for FivePoint rather than what’s best for vets.

    • LFOldTimer

      What’s best for the vets is putting our fallen brothers and sisters at the front of the bus rather than hiding them at the back of the bus.

      It’s an insult to our fallen brothers and sister to stick them on the back nine outside the purview of the main area of the Great Park.

      And we know the reason behind it: To keep the rich money-grubbing developers and the foreign national home buyers happy. How un-American is that? Our vets should get the HIGHEST honors – not the fat cats and the foreigners.

      Disgraceful.

  • verifiedsane

    “Kathleen Brown, a former California Treasurer and current partner in the
    Manatt, Phelps & Phillips law firm, also sits on the board of
    directors of developer FivePoint.”

    Gov. Moonbeam only shows interest when family money is involved…..just like unlawfully using state tax dollars to exploratory drill on his private land to hopefully find oil….Anyone notice how that criminal scandal just disappeared? The Brown’s are California’s notorious political mobster godfathers…..

    • justanon

      “just like unlawfully using state tax dollars to exploratory drill on his private land to hopefully find oil”

      What complete and utter bull sh*t. There was NO “oil drilling”, where do you come up with this nonsense? Of course, only another nitwit would actually believe (and like) anything you’d write, lol!

      THE TRUTH:

      “But the characterization of the service appears to be a stretch. Except for a one-page personal memo, all the material collected for the governor amounted to merely a pile of old letters sent other property owners, historic data from yesteryear and some oil field maps.

      “Everything is available on the [state] website,” said Nancy Vogel, chief spokeswoman for the Natural Resources Agency, the umbrella entity for these regulators. “If you know how to find it.

      “They did not do a formal assessment. That would have been many weeks of work.”

      The governor got back his answer within 24 hours. “The potential for significant oil or gas in this area is very low,” the memo read. As for mining, that potential also “is exceptionally low.”

      http://www.latimes.com/local/politics/la-me-pol-sac-cap-brown-oil-20151109-column.html

      • LFOldTimer

        Thanks for the fake news.

        • justanon

          So please, FIND the REAL NEWS that shows Gov. Brown used state resources to drill for oil on his land.

          If you can’t find any REAL NEWS showing that, will you admit that you’re a LIAR????? Ha, ha, ha, I won’t hold my breath, as you don’t have an honest bone in your body.

          As they say: put or shut-up.

          • LFOldTimer

            “California governor Jerry Brown used state experts to prepare a
            51-page report on the prospects for oil development on his family’s
            private land in Northern California, according to an Associated Press investigation released early Thursday morning.”

            http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/05/shock-jerry-brown-used-state-experts-to-seek-oil-on-family-land/

            Touché!!! lol.

          • justanon

            Except that doesn’t say “drilled for oil” does it???

            Your post-licker said: “…just like unlawfully using state tax dollars to EXPLORATORY DRILL on his private land to hopefully find oil…”

            You lose!!!!

            And furthermore, if you won’t accept the LA Times as “real news” why should I accept a right-wing nut blog as real news?

            Another LOGIC FAIL for the ridiculous hypocrite, old bigot, lol!!!!

          • LFOldTimer

            No. You’re wrong again. Mooney Brown used STATE RESOURCES to pursue personal profits on his private land. And that is INDISPUTABLE. Why don’t you and Quirk-Silva get together and rent a room to share with Mooney. lol. You seem infatuated with old chrome dome!!! LOL!!!

            I wouldn’t use the LA TImes to house train my dog. My pooch deserves more respect than that.

          • justanon

            NO LIAR, your lick-spittle said they DRILLED FOR OIL and you agreed with that statement. You are a LIAR and you have egg all over your face, AGAIN!!!

            He got a one page memo, the rest of the pages were old documents and maps. A couple of hours work for some staffer.

            Oooh, big effing deal. You obviously are incapable of perspective when it comes to Democrats …mole hills are HUGE mountains and thus you have NO CREDIBILITY! LOL!!!

          • verifiedsane

            No problem! Diaper Boy still believes Hillary used a cloth to wipe her illegal private server……..this is what happens when nut-balls like justanon get all their news and fact checking through their communist friends over at the Soros psychic hotline….:)

          • LFOldTimer

            Those Germans who supported Hitler believed that Germany was winning the war all the way up to the end as the Russian troops invaded Berlin.

            There will always be a plentiful market for those who take advantage of gullible and
            naïve human beings. History books are full of great examples.

          • justanon

            Ha, ha, ha says the doofus who voted for the traitor trump.

            I bet you really enjoyed last week when trump ONLY allowed the Russian State owned news agency TASS into the Oval Office, what a coup for the Ruskies!

            MAGA! MAGA! MAGA! … oops, it’s really… MRGA!MRGA!MRGA!!!!!!!!!!!!

            You trump-chumps are unf*cking believable!!!

          • LFOldTimer

            The black helicopters are flying low today, diaper child.

            Keep your head down so one doesn’t collide with the antenna on your tin-foil hat. hah.

            TASS publishes more accurate news reports and has more credibility and than 85% of the US media outlets today. Why not invite them into the White House? It’s a news agency.

            In 2016 Obama cordially invited a rapper into the White House. At the time the rapper was under indictment for assault and kidnapping charges. ha. And in one of his rap songs he bragged on spiking a woman’s drink and having his way with her.

            Simultaneously, Obama and Mooshell were decrying Trump for his alleged gropes and condemning the date ra*e epidemic on college campuses perpetrated with drink spiking. lol.

            Obama and Mooshell are so full of it. And so are their supporters. lol.

          • justanon

            And guess who just had the draft-dodging ‘pants-pooping’, admitted PEDOPHILE Ted Nugent to the White House???? That’s right … old ‘bone spurs’ trump, lol!

            “In the song “Jailbait,” Nugent sang about his affection for young girls: “Well, I don’t care if you’re just 13 / You look too good to be true.””

          • verifiedsane

            Lead the diaper boy to the cliff, and they’ll blindly jump off every time……would you like to share some more of your anarchist nut-ball fantasy conspiracy theories with everyone……it’s not as if you had any semblance of credibility to begin with…..but you have really outdone yourself with that ludicrous comment….LMAO…I know…it was your new best friend the goldfish’s fault….:)

          • justanon

            More of your little boy accusations and silly names but NO ACTUAL FACTS.

            Pathetic and sad, you should keep to your real talent … post-licking! LOL!!!!

          • verifiedsane

            Was that ignorant, futile, & unhinged retort a commentary reflective encapsulation of what you received from your new & only friend, the goldfish?

            It appears by justanon’s documented comment history; Diaper boy is showing us what a very lonely, tunnel vision, sad, and angry existence they live.

            Have a nice day comrade 🙂

          • LFOldTimer

            owch!

            Time for diaper child to retreat to a ‘safe space’ and lick his/her wounds.

            It’s been a tough day!!! lol.

          • justanon

            “Tough day” for all you conservatives who refuse to call out trump’s treasonous behavior.
            But continue on hiding behind Hillary’s pantsuit, so much easier than admitting you’re a couple of gullible idiots! LOL!!!!

          • verifiedsane

            whaa whaa whaa…….

          • justanon

            Read it and weep, fools:

            “Conservative blogger Erick Erickson on Tuesday morning made a shocking claim: Namely, that the person inside the White House who leaked the latest Russia bombshell was at one time an ardent supporter of President Trump.

            “I know one of the sources,” Erickson writes. “And the source is solidly supportive of President Trump, or at least has been and was during Campaign 2016.”

            So why would a Trump supporter leak a damaging story about the president to multiple news organizations? According to Erickson, it’s the only way to get Trump to change his behavior.

            “The President will not take any internal criticism, no matter how politely it is given,” Erickson explains. “He does not want advice, cannot be corrected, and is too insecure to see any constructive feedback as anything other than an attack. So some of the sources are left with no other option but to go to the media, leak the story, and hope that the intense blowback gives the President a swift kick in the butt.”

            Additionally, Erickson’s source claims that “what the President did is actually far worse than what is being reported” and that “the president does not seem to realize or appreciate that his bragging can undermine relationships with our allies and with human intelligence sources.”

            http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/conservative-erick-erickson-claims-source-who-leaked-latest-russia-bombshell-was-a-trump-supporter/

          • verifiedsane

            two words – SETH RICH

            have a nice day comrade 🙂

          • justanon

            One word – LEMMING

            Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,!

          • verifiedsane

            is LEMMING the name of your new friend the goldfish…. 🙂

          • justanon

            Watch out … that first cliff is a doozy!
            LOL!!!

          • verifiedsane

            So now you’re playing parrot, Diaper Boy…..that’s a big step up the ladder for a anarchist, racist, misandrist, and hate spewer.. 🙂

          • justanon

            Uh, oh, two NEW words – SPECIAL COUNSEL

            How are you lemmings going to spin this?

          • verifiedsane

            one word – LAUGHABLE…..politically motivated investigations that are just chasing more red herring farcical illusions that will lead to no where…..If anything, it will be nice to watch you eating some rotten crow when President Trump is completely exonerated and re-elected…I’m sure you’ll just come up with some more hate speech, fake news, and baseless attacks as you always do, that’s pretty much your anarchist MO Diaper Boy…just more of the same old, same old leftist propaganda garbage 🙂

          • LFOldTimer

            “……….you’re a couple of gullible idiots!”

            Speaking of idiots, take a hard look in the mirror.

            You’re wrong on practically every comment you post.

            Now the Seth Rich story has surfaced with all fingers pointing at the dummycrats.

            But naturally you will circle the wagons and deny, deny, deny!!! LOL!!!

          • justanon

            That’s the caca that the right-wing rags put out to distract you gullible chumps from focusing on the fvcking DISASTER that is trump.

            Go ahead, DEFEND trump’s giving CODED SECRETS to the Russians…..I dare you.

          • LFOldTimer

            Can you say “S-E-T-H R-I-C-H”??? LOL!!!!

          • justanon

            Can you say “L-E-M-M-I-N-G”??? LOL!!!!

            You poor chumps just can’t catch a break, your big, big, bombshell story has fizzled to a big nothing-burger, ha, ha, ha!

            OOPS:

            “But Tuesday afternoon, Wheeler told CNN he had no evidence to suggest Rich had contacted Wikileaks before his death.
            Wheeler instead said he only learned about the possible existence of such evidence through the reporter he spoke to for the FoxNews.com story. He explained that the comments he made to WTTG-TV were intended to simply preview Fox News’ Tuesday story. The WTTG-TV news director did not respond to multiple requests for comment.
            “I only got that [information] from the reporter at Fox News,” Wheeler told CNN.”
            http://money.cnn.com/2017/05/16/media/seth-rich-family-response-claims-of-wikileaks-contact/index.html

            “Citing a former Fox News contributor-turned-private-eye, a local Fox station reported that slain DNC staffer Seth Rich was “communicating with WikiLeaks prior to his death” and it could be proven with “tangible evidence on Rich’s laptop.”
            But a spokesman for Rich’s family said there’s a gaping hole in the Fox 5 D.C.’s report: That private investigator, Rod Wheeler, doesn’t have access to Rich’s laptop.
            “We know where Seth’s personal computer is. We know where his DNC computer is. Neither [Rod Wheeler] nor anybody else has it,” Brad Bauman, who is representing the Rich family, told The Daily Beast.”
            http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/05/16/the-big-money-pr-war-over-seth-richs-death

            But don’t worry lemmings, I’m sure Fox ‘News’ will have another Hillary ‘scandal’ you can chase off a cliff … soon.
            Anything to distract you braindead chumps from having to face your own stupidity and complicity in electing an ignorant, reckless, lying, traitorous thug as POTUS.

          • LFOldTimer

            We know that Seth Rich was a staffer employed as a data analyst by the DNC with access to the emails leaked to Wikileaks. We know that a Federal investigator informant told the media that he observed communications between Rich and Wikileaks. We know that 12 short days after the DNC emails and documents were leaked to Wikileaks that Rich was shot in the back and murdered while he walked along a DC street. We know that a Federal investigator informant told the media “44,053 emails and 17,761 attachments between Democratic National Committee leaders, spanning from January 2015 through late May 2016, were transferred from Rich to MacFadyen before May 21”. We know that Gavin MacFadyen, a now deceased American investigative reporter, documentary film maker and was living in London at the time the documents were transferred. We know that at the time of the murder of no valuables were taken from Seth Rich’ body. Wallet, credit cards, watch, etc…. were all left intact. The murder appeared to be a hit. We know that the murderer(s) remain at large.

            If it quacks, waddles, has feathers and has an affinity for the water – it’s generally a duck.

          • justanon

            And yet … you ONLY apply that ‘standard’ to democrats.
            The trump administration has an entire flock of ducks, flapping in your face and you’re still pointing at Hillary and saying … look over there!

            You’re so gullible and such a huge hypocrite. LOL!!!!

          • LFOldTimer

            Double standards?

            Get outta here.

            If Trump were Hillary or Obama he would have already been indicted, convicted and sitting in a prison cell.

            Can you say “Fast and Furious”, “NSA Illegal Wiretapping” “IRS Targeting Political Opponents”, “Benghazi”, “Obstruction of Justice on Classified Emails”, “War Crimes”, “Soliciting Donations from Enemy Nations”, etc… That’s only a small sample. Had Trump been involved in anything close to those illegal acts he would have been toast. So don’t you lecture me about double standards, diaper child.

            You’re full of it. Another diaper change is in order.

          • justanon

            How completely BAMBOOZLED are you???

            ALL those faux scandals WERE INVESTIGATED, in fact Benghazi had 9 investigations and they all came up EMPTY. The Republicans hounded Obama and the Clinton’s for everything. They had the power and if they could’ve gotten anything to stick they would’ve run with it.

            But continue on being a lemming and running any direction Fox ‘News’ sends you scurrying, like the phony Seth Rich story, haven’t you noticed meathead, that they use CIRCULAR SOURCING???? LOL!

          • LFOldTimer

            Get lost. You’re a pest.

          • justanon

            In other words, you got nothin’.

            But that’s okay, you trump supporters are having to face reality for the first time in months and I’m sure you’re feeling a little shell-shocked by the daily bombshells breaching your bubble.

            Get used to it chump, it’s only going to get worse, lol.

          • LFOldTimer

            Coded secrets??? HAH!!!

            What did he do??? Tap on his knee cap 3 times??? HAH!

            Seriously, get some help!!!! LOL!!!

          • LFOldTimer

            Oh, was Ted Nugent ever arrested, indicted or convicted of being a pedophile? Not that I’m aware of. Hopefully you have proof of what you claim. That’s a pretty serious allegation.

            And the lyric in the song? This sounds like something a complimentary father might say to his daughter as she’s dressed up for a special event, like participation in a recital or a school play . Only a prude would interpret it as being dirty. Clean it up.

            No comparison to Obama and Mooshell honoring a rapper indicted for assault with a deadly weapon and kidnapping – and a song lyric that leaves no room for doubt about promoting drink spiking to take advantage of a woman. Yet Donald was a lecher for allegedly (no proof) groping!!! lol.

            Your comparisons fall flat and fail again. You love to lose, doncha??? LOL!!!

          • justanon

            Oh please, is this ‘scandal” the BEST you can come up with because ….
            NEWS FVCKING FLASH, TRUMP IS A DANGER TO THE COUNTRY!!!!!!

            Everyday it’s a new HUGE BOMBSHELL!!!!!

            You and your ilk WHINED and SCREAMED about Obama and HRC for ANY bullsh*t molehill you could blow out of all proportion, but now we actually have A TRAITOR in the White House and I want to know WHERE IS YOUR FVCKING OUTRAGE?????

            If Hillary had LEAKED INFORMATION TO THE RUSSIANS AFTER PERSONALLY INVITING A SPY INTO THE OVAL OFFICE BECAUSE PUTIN “ASKED”, YOU WOULD’VE DEMANDED A HANGING, BUT BECAUSE IT’S TRUMP …..NOTHING!!!!!

            Trump IS destroying this country! And as a ‘supporter … YOU are disloyal! YOU are unpatriotic! YOU are a coward! YOU are no longer an American!

          • LFOldTimer

            It is a PROVEN fact that Hitlery cavorted with the Russians by selling our uranium rights to them. That is a FACT – not manufactured liberal fake news like the media foists on Trump!!! lol.

            Read and and weep, diaper child!!! Straight from your trusted liberal rag, the NY Times!!! So you can’t call it ‘fake news’!!! LOL!

            “And shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a
            majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a
            Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin
            that was promoting Uranium One stock.”

            https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0

            So Hitlery WHILE BEING SECRETARY OF STATE she and Billary took Russian money for selling out American uranium rights to the Russians!!!! $500,000 speaking fee!!! HAH!!!

            Hitlery PAY TO PLAY with the Russians!!! LOL!

            Now make more excuses for HRC (aka Alice Capone), diaper child.

            Ready, set, GO!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!

          • LFOldTimer

            That comment chased diaper child away, didn’t it??? lol.

            Hopefully for good!!! 🙂

          • justanon

            Yeah, back to Hillary … wa,… wa. SHE. IS. NOT. POTUS.

            But the ignorant, fat, lying, man-baby is and he GAVE CODED SECRETS to the Russians!

            You love to toss out the “anti-american” insult but trump has made you defend his treason and I guess, like it.

            So all you trump-chumps are COMPLICIT in trump’s traitorous behavior.

            Wear it proudly, traitor!

          • verifiedsane

            Now you’re back to your Russian fake news and communist fantasy world Diaper Boy……It appears the truth is now coming out that the Russian’s had absolutely nothing to do with the DNC email hacks that were shared on Wikileaks. So please keep choking on that liberal fake news cool-aid you’re drinking.

            Seth Rich, slain DNC staffer, had contact with WikiLeaks, say multiple sources –

            Are you going to tell everyone here that it was just a coincidence that Seth Rich is shot twice in the back, left for dead in the street, yet nothing was taken from is body. This is after sending the DNC emails to a reporter, who then sent them to Wikileaks. Sounds more like your run of the mill DNC political hit for hire to me. Stayed tuned! The investigation will no longer be stifled from the inside and top down.

            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/16/slain-dnc-staffer-had-contact-with-wikileaks-investigator-says.html

            Have a nice day, comrade 🙂

          • justanon

            Yep, HILLARY!!!!

            How long are you trump-chumps going to hide behind your Hillary derangement???

            She’s the boogeyman they dangle in front of you gullible idiots, meanwhile trump has BETRAYED not only every promise he made during the campaign, but now he’s BETRAYING THE COUNTRY!!!

            And you little lemmings are still lining up and pointing to Hillary!!!

            What embarrassingly, stupid FOOLS you are.

          • verifiedsane

            Hillary!….it appears the whole DNC is a self serving crime family……better ask your friend the Goldfish and uncle Soros for some more foolish fake news talking points Diaper Boy…. 🙂

          • LFOldTimer

            Hopefully Trump orders a special prosecutor to investigation the Seth Rich murder. One was never appointed for Vince Foster. It’s time to follow the leads and bring the murderers to justice.

            Shot twice in the back and no valuables removed from his body. hmmm???

            It took a PI to expose the truth. The DC cops are in the back pockets of the dirty political system.

            But this has been common knowledge for a LONG time. Seth’s parents are not going to let it get buried. Good for them.

            This could be 1000x’s bigger than Watergate!!! Fer shur!!! 😉

          • justanon

            You go with that … traitor.

          • LFOldTimer

            Hi Miss Pot. Let me introduce you to the Kettle. lol.

          • justanon

            OOOPS!!!!!! OR YOU ARE THE WORLD’S BIGGEST CHUMP, HA, HA, HA!!!!!

            Fox News retracts unfounded story about DNC staffer’s death

            http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/23/fox-news-retracts-story-dnc-staffer-seth-rich-death-238728

          • LFOldTimer

            Treason??? You mean more fake news generated by the fake liberal media?
            lol.

            If you were a fish you would have swallowed the bait and been eaten years ago!!! LOL!

          • justanon

            Even Erik Erickson is confirming this story, but your denial is understandable as you would rather side with Russia at this point than America if meant not facing the fact that you supported a COMPLETE MORON for POTUS.
            Shame on you!

          • LFOldTimer

            “Even Erik Erickson…” HAH.

            Exactly how gullible are you?

            I’m not siding with Russia. I’m siding with the TRUTH!

            Something the liberals hate!!!

          • LFOldTimer

            You owe an apology to Ted Nugent, btw.

          • justanon
          • LFOldTimer

            Regardless of what the liberal ragsites say, Nugent does not fit the legal description of “pedophile” regardless of how much you desire to stretch the definition. The police have access to the same information that you posted. Why hasn’t Nugent been arrested, indicted or convicted? Naturally you’ll sidestep the answer to that question. Won’t you?

          • justanon

            He admits to it on tape.

            Why hasn’t he been arrested? For the same reason donald trump hasn’t been arrested. White, male, privilege.

          • verifiedsane

            So now you openly admit that you’re an active racist & misandrist, diaper boy….it’s about time you came clean with everyone, and stopped hiding behind your pseudo liberal charade…..this gives readers a small glimpse into your twisted psyche & a disturbing explanation for your never ending unhinged attacks and hate filled rhetoric spewed here…. 🙂

          • LFOldTimer

            “White, male, privilege.”

            What hubris diaper child has to call other people ‘racists’, ‘bigots’ and ‘sexists’. lol.

            TIme for another diaper change!!! 🙂

          • LFOldTimer

            HAH!!!

            You’re so full of it.

            Get a bigger tin foil hat with a revolving antenna!!! LOL!

          • verifiedsane

            I see that you’re talking to your only friend the Goldfish again….:)

          • verifiedsane

            Diaper boy is using the old failed Dumocratic party play book (evidenced by election results)….it’s the same silly deny, blame, fake news, and the creation of pitiful & laughable excuses when they get caught “communist red” handed….. 🙂

          • verifiedsane

            How about some left wing news Diaper Boy….The Brown environmental/climate hypocrisy (that you support) on full display…. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/08/17/exposed-climate-crusader-california-governor-jerry-brown-took-huge-sums-of-money-from-big-oil/

          • verifiedsane

            and more Jerry Brown environmental corruption….selling climate change for cash…. http://www.flashreport.org/blog/2015/02/23/brown-administration-tied-to-scandal-that-took-down-oregon-governor/

          • LFOldTimer

            Don’t expect a response from the diaper child, Verified.

            You’ve made your point that cannot be refuted with a straight face.

            So in hiding justanon will go!!! LOL!

          • justanon

            First off LIAR, WHERE is YOUR mea-culpa on LYING about JB “drilling for oil on his property with state funds”??????

            Secondly, you and your fetish are such HYPOCRITES, do you expect anybody to believe that you suddenly give a d*mn about the environment??? Ha, ha, ha!!!!
            We get it, ANY amount of corruption and self-dealing is a-okay as long as it’s a conservative, but Dems had better be boy-scouts.

            And lastly, I’ll believe the League of Conservation Voter assessment of Jerry Brown rather than your “fake news” right-wing rags. Your CORPORATE SPONSORED “fake news” sites purposely SLANT your info. because they know you folks are GENUINELY STUPID and WILLFULLY GULLIBLE and will BELIEVE ANY B*LLSH*T as long as it smears … liberals.

            Jerry Brown may not be perfect, but he has a lifetime 87% rating on the environment per the LCV. I’ll take that every single time over the conservatives in this country who routinely get in the low single digits.

          • verifiedsane

            Here we go again…Diaper Boy (an anarchist and communist puppet) can’t respond with the actual facts, any rational, or real documented evidence…so out comes the far left play book of baseless attacks, defending the indefensible, and silly name calling….from what I can tell…you only have yourself and few other anarchist fools that buy into the Leftist propaganda hogwash your attempting to sell here…..maybe you should purchase a Goldfish; so that you have someone to talk to that possesses similar intellectual abilities……. 🙂

          • justanon

            Yeah, TRUTH and FACTS ARE in the left’s “playbook. While you and your ilk steep yourselves in bull sh*t and your beloved “fake news” courtesy of multinational corporations. You’re all too stupid to realize you’re just corporate shills, lol!

            The left couldn’t make this sh*t show up if we tried:

            HOW TRUMP GETS HIS FAKE NEWS

            http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/15/donald-trump-fake-news-238379

          • justanon

            What a ridiculous DOPE you are, lol!!!

            You get info. on JB being influenced by corporate $$$’s from this guy:

            “Willard Anthony Watts (Anthony Watts) is a blogger, weathercaster and non-scientist, paid AGW denier who runs the website wattsupwiththat.com. He does not have a university qualification and has no climate credentials other than being a radio weather announcer. His website is parodied and debunked at the website wottsupwiththat.com Watts is on the payroll of the Heartland Institute, which itself is funded by polluting industries.”

            http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Anthony_Watts

            Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • verifiedsane

            That’s all you got!….more Whaa Whaa Whaa……better call your mommy, it’s time for your diaper change… 🙂

          • verifiedsane

            Some more fun reading on the Brown political crime family… http://calwatchdog.com/2010/03/09/new-brown-scandal-resurfacing/ The Brown’s make impeached former corrupt Gov. Gray Davis look like a novice amateur in comparison…. It’s quite entertaining to watch wacky stooges like Diaper Boy attempting to defend the indefensible… 🙂

          • LFOldTimer

            Thanks for the heads up on more mooney corruption, Verified.

            Once a man steps over the line there is no turning back. If he’s willing to do it once you can bet you bippy there are many instances of mooney corruption that we’ll never know about. Once in a while they mess up and forget to cover their tracks. But it’s the exception to the rule. Seasoned politicians are very adept and covering up their wrongdoings. And they have a menagerie of sycophants who are willing to do their dirty work for a price.

          • verifiedsane

            Gov. Moonbeam has so much dirty laundry in his closet….it would take more earth movers working 24/7/365 than are being used on the Oroville Dam repairs to bring all this families dirty laundry out into the light of day….from workers comp to the bullet train, and everything in-between; the Brown crime family are the King’s of California secret political backroom deals & criminal corruption for self enrichment.

            Unfortunately, Governator Arnold wasn’t any better….which should show everyone, that in California a political party label provides citizens little installation from the ongoing self serving political corruption & cronyism that permeates our government, political culture, and elected/appointed representatives.

          • LFOldTimer

            We aren’t like the dummycrats, Verified. We both believe Arnold sucked big time, despite the (R) after his name. And I have repeatedly criticized George W. Bush. I don’t play favorites. And it appears you don’t either.

            The dummycrats worship any pol with a (D) after his or her name and give them a pass for any impropriety or wrongdoing.

            Look at how diaper child carries the water bucket for Obama and Hillary! lol.

            What sycophants they are!!! lol.

  • LFOldTimer

    What did I tell you? These thugs are going to break their original promise to the vets and move them next to the dirty freeways. Out of sight, out of mind. They sold out to the developers and the big money. The rich Chinese buying up US property and the filthy rich developers take priority over our vets who put their lives on the line in service to our nation. If the strawberry fields were that great a location they’d build homes there. Moonbeam Brown is just another political harlot who’s willing to sell the vets out for a few gold pieces. So take all this “Thank you for your service” BS with a big grain of salt from these political streetwalkers from Sacramento and Irvine. Old chrome dome favors sticking the vets on the back nine in the strawberry fields, not in the Great Park where they would get the attention that they deserve. And using a Beatle’s song to promote his dirty decision is an insult to one of the greatest bands in the history of the world. The stinking pols are about to push the vets to the back of the bus. Just as I expected.

    I TOLD YOU SO!!!!! 😉

    • J Money 74

      Not sure how it’s out of sight out of mind when it is right next to two major freeways for all to see. Besides, if you stick to the original sight then there probably wouldn’t be money to build it. All the cost would go to demolition.

      • LFOldTimer

        Nonsense.

        As if the motorists on the I-5 or I-405 would even know what they’re looking at. What a silly justification to move our vets from the front of the bus to the back of the bus. You developer friendly folks say the darndest things.

        A cemetery at the Great Park was already promised. Money was already reserved and set aside for it. Now they’re reneging on that promise to keep the Chinese nationals and the developers happy. These people are clearly anti-veteran and anti-America IMO. They have no business holding political position since it requires a sworn oath to defend the US Constitution and the American way. Any politician who supports shoving the vets to the back of the bus should resign their post. They are a disgrace to our beloved nation.