Santana: Could a Housing Bond End Homelessness in Orange County?

Members of the local homeless community, and advocates for the homeless, stand around a temporary memorial for "Kid," an 18-year-old girl who was living at the homeless encampment along the Santa Ana River in Anaheim, and who died of a heroin overdoes the night before, during a vigil on Wednesday, May 17, 2017. Photo By Jeff Antenore, Contributing Photographer

There is no reason on earth that people should be camping out at the riverbed along the 57 Freeway in Anaheim near Angels Stadium.

We should not allow politicians to turn public areas – parks, libraries, civic buildings, flood control areas, stadiums – into makeshift homeless shelters.

“It’s fiscally irresponsible to not end homelessness,” said Mohammed Aly, a recent law school graduate and homeless advocate working in Orange County’s toughest areas.

Yet month after month, year after year, Orange County supervisors continue to drop the ball here, seemingly refusing to acknowledge the depth of the crisis unfolding right outside their doors.

Meanwhile, tax dollars are being wasted on a law enforcement-only approach to homelessness that just makes the problem even worse.

There is no other county issue that’s more important for public safety.

Supervisors and county officials keep pointing to a few recent small steps, like setting up the Courtyard Transition Center in downtown Santa Ana and the Bridges at Kraemer Place in North Orange County, seemingly expecting a standing ovation for two basic moves, which were both long overdue and still fall far short of meeting overall needs.

Indeed, nowhere is the lack of leadership from the county more evident that along the riverbed.

Aly is locked in a battle over providing people with basic bathroom facilities at the riverbed – a seemingly obvious humanitarian gesture given the situation these modern day American refugees face – one that has county officials tied up in a heartless battle, refusing.

“Immediate needs are just as important as a long term solution,” Aly told me.

This Tuesday, the issue is expected to play out at the county Board of Supervisors meeting as supervisors could authorize such temporary usage.

County Supervisor Shawn Nelson deserves credit for stepping up to the plate earlier this month and throwing out a somewhat wild but entrepreneurial idea.

The county owns property all over Orange County.

Surely, it can set up a campground of sorts for these people to head to.

Whether he realized it or not, Nelson has simultaneously challenged every single city official across Orange County to wake up – because a homeless shelter is potentially headed to a site near them.

According to a recent report by our Orange County Register colleague, Jordan Graham, Supervisors’ Chairwoman Michelle Steel, is already fighting back on one site being considered in Huntington Beach.

Yet Nelson, in my mind, has a near perfect approach.

If you don’t’ like my idea I’m all ears on yours.

My colleague Nick Gerda inadvertently jumped onto the Nelson bandwagon himself – potentially spurring an interesting crowd sourcing exercise – relaying to me a recent county inventory of property that came up from one of his regular beat requests for public records.

I’ve included it here as the file, OCProperties.

The question for all of you is where in your city could you host a campground of sorts on a nearby county lot, a place where homeless people could temporarily pitch a tent or live under a big tent like the Courtyard Transition Center until county plans to build permanent supportive housing catch up to demand.

Sites also could be used to build small structures, like cottages, in campus-like environments.

Its’ a pretty big list of properties so feel free to take your time analyzing and email me your thoughts on any good fits.

Yet housing people in tents is no way to help them transition back to civil society.

We need affordable housing built, especially permanent supportive housing, which is expensive.

Now, given the fact that last year county supervisors cowardly gave away virtually all excess local discretionary budget dollars to fund deputy sheriff raises (aka, good for their political careers), the rest of us will now have to fund basic affordable housing projects to avoid the drama unfolding along the riverbed and other places.

A bond.

It’s probably the only real solution.

It’s not even complicated.

Indeed, it’s much cheaper than the barbaric approach currently being utilized by our county supervisors, which is to only fund one kind of public worker and just ignore the impacts.

Despite the general distaste for taxes in Orange County, Aly believes that a bond can be sold to the public given what everyone sees happening around them.

Advocates can help with public engagement, he said.

“This is something can be channeled positively,” Aly said of looking to develop consensus around specific projects in cities. “Making your community better. If everyone swept their doorstep, the whole world would be clean,” Aly said quoting a popular adage.

Indeed, study after study in Orange County keeps pointing to the same fiscal reality.

It’s cheaper to house than to jail.

Throughout my interviews this week, I was struck by how often I kept hearing the same themes that come up in my discussions with Orange County Business Council President and CEO Lucy Dunn – herself a former state housing commissioner.

We need more housing.

Dunn herself is ringing alarm bells for her CEOs as loud as she can.

Workers don’t have housing. Many bottom end workers are falling onto the streets and riverbeds.

She gets it. Builders and employers get it.

They’re in.

“Intriguing,” is what Dunn said when I asked her about a bond to spur construction.

Local measures, like a county housing bond, can work, she said.

Dunn points to the Measure M transportation bond – recognized for its citizens’ oversight panel and project-specific approach – have raised the bar on expectations from taxpayers, Dunn said.

We need a comprehensive approach, one that can help identify projects in specific cities and maybe even work to gather former redevelopment funds into a countywide pool for affordable and permanent supportive housing across Orange County.

The alternative is a growing and permanent underclass that will transform Orange County, all of us, in a really ugly way.

  • Anaheim Resident

    Irish Lass,
    You should educate yourself. The county has nothing to do with “stealing” homes.

  • Darrick Vincent

    We are getting closer to communism every day. Maybe that is the liberal plan.

    • justanon

      Really, how so?
      The US does LESS for our poor and needy than just about any other developed nation on the planet, DESPITE being the RICHEST country in the world.

  • Daniel Lamb

    The relationship between Big Finance and Big Labor is problematic.

  • Village Idiot

    First, no progressive in OC, whether for purposes of housing for the homeless, the under-housed poor, etc., should even consider raising taxes on working people. Period. Workers own their homes. Workers pay property taxes. They should not pay any more taxes, whatever the noble goals. The Democrats in Sacramento and local governments make a mockery of their liberalism when they raise anti-progress, reactionary sales and gas taxes, which add to the exploitation of workers. Second, Measure M is NOT popular as it is being totally wasted on hyper-expensive highway “improvements” like the 405/605/22 Connectors project and especially on the 405 widening Toll Road project to come. The U.S. Census Bureau for some time has classified OC as an urban area, not a rural or suburban area it was in the 40’s and 50’s. OC (with State & Federal assistance) has needed to use available transportation funds to start and develop a Countywide mass transit system since the 60’s. That’s 50 years of potential development time wasted.

  • Lori

    County owned properties should absolutely be used to create temporary housing, affordable housing, supportive housing and shelters. It costs considerably less (5 digits) to put up a tiny house rather than SRO units (6 digits). The model would work and should be applied County wide across the board in all cities! If they’re all in one place, it provides easier access for agencies providing services, law enforcement, healthcare agencies etc. To combat NIMBY-sim the site locations should be selected through a lottery system. Once the criteria is determined about how large of a lot is needed, what kind of zoning it should have etc, all County owned properties that meet the criteria should go into a lottery and it should be left to the luck of the draw even if that means we end up with homeless or super low income people living in Yorba Linda or Alisa Viejo! Anaheim and Santa Ana shouldn’t have to be the only cities to carry this burden for the entire County. If this type of solution can’t be applied by these Supervisors then I don’t think we should build anything in Santa Ana or Anaheim anymore! Let the encampments in Fountain Valley, Costa Mesa and Huntington Beach grow!

    It’s ridiculous that these comments shifted from SOLUTIONS to the homeless issue to a blame game. If you think immigration is the problem and enforcing immigration laws will solve the problem then you should advocate for enforcing ALL laws which include business owners not hiring the undocumented workers that are allegedly taking the jobs away from the white people living up and down the river trail. If you truly think this is where the problem lies than what you’re implying is that CAPITALISM is the real problem. LOL

    • LFOldTimer

      “If you think immigration is the problem and enforcing immigration laws will solve the problem then you should advocate for enforcing ALL laws which include business owners not hiring the undocumented workers that are allegedly taking the jobs away from the white people living up and
      down the river trail.”

      95% of us who are anti-illegal immigration do, Lori. But we’re ignored by the corrupted lawmakers who refuse to follow their own stinking laws!!!

      I feel sorry for contractors who play by the rules and hire LEGAL workers. They have to pay big taxes on each worker. How could they possibly compete with contractors who use ILLEGAL labor and don’t pay those taxes? Sooner or later the ones who OBEY the laws are forced to VIOLATE the laws to STAY IN BUSINESS AND FEED THEIR FAMILIES!!! THEY ARE FORCED TO BECOME CRIMINALS! So everyone becomes a CROOK!!!

      Is that the uncivilized state that YOU want to live in, Lori???

      • Lori

        I’m all for requiring every contractor to pay prevailing wages. I’m also for requiring business owners to pay their fair share of taxes. I’m not for undocumented people receiving health benefits, they should have to pay something.

        The issue with the growing homelessness isn’t illegal immigration it’s the lack of affordable housing. The number of homeless people is rising but the number of affordable housing units being produced isn’t rising. Besides opening the 2 emergency shelters this Board of Supervisors hasn’t spent a penny of their $6 billion dollar budget on creating new affordable housing. Considering Federal and State funds for affordable housing developments are shrinking they have to step in and fill the gap. Emergency shelters are a band aid. We need permanent affordable housing units to be built. It’s disgusting that these Supervisors have a 10 year plan to end homelessness and 6 years into that plan they are failing! Not only are they not close to ending homelessness, it’s gotten worse!

        The County can easily put out a NOFA for $50-$60 million and cities could apply to use those funds to build the necessary affordable units. Their failure to do their job can’t be attributed to immigration issues. They should all be recalled for not having already done this 2 years ago or 4 years ago.

        • LFOldTimer

          “Undocmented” (illegal aliens) people shouldn’t even be allowed to remain in our country., let alone get free medical care. They CERTAINLY shouldn’t be allowed to hold jobs that our underclass and LEGAL immigrants would gladly work at a fair prevailing wage. Illegals are also forcing rent prices up by saturating the housing markets (economic demand forces prices to rise).

          Anyone who waffles on illegal immigration is not a TRUE American IMO. We have borders. We have immigration laws just like ALL other civilized nations do. If we do not protect our borders and enforce our immigration laws we are NOT a truly civilized nation. We are HURTING our own citizens and all LEGAL immigrants who play by the rules!!!

          • Lori

            I never implied that the ones who have been convicted of crimes should take up beds in our prisons. IMO those should be deported. However this article is about homelessness and to fix that problem you have to either provide affordable housing for the underclass or going back to capitalism control the rents property owners like your President are allowed to charge. Remember him? You know he owned rental properties in New York and how he treated his tenant and applicants right? But you don’t want to tell property owners what they can and can’t charge right? You just want to tell them who they can and can’t rent to! You think they care if their tenant is documented as long as they are paying their rent in cash?

            AMERICAN families who are first time home buyers with FHA loans get outbid by Foreign cash buyers from China. They have to remain renters and can’t get ahead by becoming property owners. They have to keep paying the Trumps their rent and making the rich richer as their rents get higher and higher! Do you want to tell property owners they can’t sell their homes to non-citizens? Illegal immigrants aren’t causing THIS housing issue! That’s Capitalism! That’s the American Dream… That’s the American way!!! I need to wake up?

            Step away from your computer screen and go walk up and down the river trail. Talk to the homeless people who are citizens. Hear their stories about what caused them to lose their jobs and become homeless. “Illegal immigrants” certainly didn’t force them to become substance abusers and lose their jobs! A young girl just died out there because she OD-ed on heroine. I’m sure you want to believe that wasn’t her choice and our immigration issues caused her to be out there and to do heroine.

            What about the Veterans? Should we blame the failure of this country to provide services and housing to its own veterans who can’t work due to the disabilities they acquired during their service on immigration? What about the “True Americans” that don’t support providing services to these men and women who defended the borders you speak of?

          • LFOldTimer

            Oh, now it’s Trump’s fault???? HAH!

            Homelessness sharply rose under the Obama administration. Yet you blamed him for nothing. lol.

            If you believe that illegal immigration does not increase homelessness it’s futile even having a discussion with you, Lori. If you use your common sense a light would come on and you would tell yourself: (1) Illegal aliens steal jobs from our citizens and LEGAL immigrants. If people can’t find a job they end up living on the streets and (2) The more illegal aliens that come to California the more DEMAND that is created for housing which forces rents to go higher. When rents go higher people can’t afford to pay rent and end up on the streets.

            It’s actually very simple, Lori. You just need an open mind to accept reality.

            If you make excuses for illegal immigrants YOU are part of the problem, Lori.

          • Lori

            Who is giving these illegal immigrants the jobs and the housing? Why aren’t you blaming the business owners and property owners?
            Do you see how you have tunnel vision? Who needs to open their mind and accept reality old timer????

          • LFOldTimer

            Your liberal California government FAILS to help enforce the immigration laws and the state labor laws, Lori.

            Business owners will get away with whatever the government allows them to get away with. Their primary purpose is to make the biggest profit possible.

            Blame your liberal politicians for FAILING to enforce the laws to make us a civilized society.

          • Lori

            Immigration and labor laws not being enforced is not unique to California. It’s a nationwide issue. That’s a FACT. Understanding that is not rocket science.

            Blaming California politicians for a nationwide issue is not a sound stance. Try again….

          • LFOldTimer

            Now you’re making flimsy excuses.

            California LEADS THE NATION in fighting the Feds on enforcing immigration laws, Lori. No other states funds CIVIL ATTORNEYS for ILLEGAL ALIENS to fight deportations with TAXPAYER DOLLARS, dear.

            The City of Los Angeles hired Eric Holder for 100’s of thousands of dollars whose SOLE PURPOSE is to fight Trump on enforcing IMMIGRATION LAWS and SANCTUARY CITIES!!!!

            You must not be paying attention, Lori.

            You need to catch up with the times.

            So now you’re making excuses for justifying California to turn a blind eye to enforcing our LABOR LAWS, Lori???

            THANKS FOR PLAYING!!!!

          • Lori

            If you put down your pitchfork for a minute maybe you could name one state that does enforce Federal Labor Laws.

          • LFOldTimer

            I’m not talking FEDERAL LABOR LAWS, Lori.

            I mean STATE LABOR LAWS. Employer are not supposed to hire UNAUTHORIZED workers and pay them under the table. That is a STATE, as well as a Federal crime.

            This is why dirty contractors who hire illegals can undercut LEGAL contractors who play by the rules and put them out of business. Since the dirty contractors don’t pay TAXES on illegal workers they can afford to charge the customers less.

            Now do you see how illegal workers screw the system up for everyone???

            And anyone who promotes it is an anarchist.

          • Lori

            So you’re claiming this problem is unique to California and calling business owners uncivilized anarchists. Got it!

          • LFOldTimer

            Twisting the argument won’t make you any less incorrect, Lori.

            You fail to respond to my questions or arguments – while I answer yours. It’s obvious who’s ahead on points.

            So I’m done with you.

            Thanks again for playing.

          • Lori

            Awww my heart is broken. I will never recover from this.

          • verifiedsane

            There is no recovery from stupidity: though on the rare occasion something called ignorance can be treated….wish you well in your recovery…. 🙂

          • Lori

            You weren’t even involved in my exchange with LFOldtimer. You contributed nothing to our discussion in which neither of us called each other stupid by the way. Ignorant people resort to name calling and only you did that. I’m sorry for you.

          • justanon

            So WHY isn’t trump’s budget going after those who HIRE undocumented workers?
            His budget increases ICE’s budget by billions but gives e-verify 15 million, i.e. chump change.
            Private industry BENEFITS big time from the labor of undocumented workers but BIGOTS like old timer only want to punish ‘the laborers’ because they are racist, angry a-holes.

  • Irish Lass

    Seriously, we have got to stop the county from stealing homes! There is so many who have lost their homes via illegal foreclosures, some as renters and many as homeowners. Once credit is ruined and the roof is ripped from over a man/womans head it is extremely hard to bounce back. Drugs use for anxiety and addictions soon follow for many who are emotionally destroyed by the lies of the county recorders and District Attorneys office, the Board of Supervisors is complicit and too many have no idea that the homes are stolen and $$$ is made by all from judges to county officials. Let;s get to the nitty gritty of all of this and hold the public servants accountable to the RICO of the HIGHEST order stealing the land, homes, freedom and lives of too many.

  • Sam

    The OC Board does have a $100,000,000 in discretionary funds available for any great project. Plus all the other funds from the government and state that in the 100s of millions also.

  • LFOldTimer

    Thanks for mentioning Supe Nelson’s proposal to activate unused county land in IRVINE, HUNTINGTON BEACH and SANTA ANA for use as temporary shelter for the homeless, Norberto. I was waiting for VOC to report on it.

    At 200 beds per shelter this could house an additional 600 homeless people. A GREAT idea. But the other supes vigorously opposed it after they chastised all the NIMBYS who opposed the formerly proposed shelters in Fullerton and Santa Ana. It’s said that Steel has her eyes on a congressional seat while we all know that Spitzer wants to be our next DA. No doubt Bartlett has future political plans as well. So NOW who exactly are the NIMBY’S??? lol.

    Look at the money the County intends to spend on the Civic Center reconstruction – THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY BILLION DOLLARS when a full reconstruction is totally unnecessary. There are government buildings across the nation that are MUCH OLDER than the county buildings at Civic Center. All that’s required are simple upgrades and maintenance. They want to float a bond for that too!!!

    A bond is nothing more than a TAX in disguise. We are already taxed to death in California. The last thing we need in OC are more bonds floated that the taxpayers are on the hook for!!! BONDS THAT NEVER GET PAID OFF AND ARE LIKE A FINANCIAL ALBATROSS TIED AROUND OUR NECKS!!!

    Enough is enough, Norberto. I agree that the homeless problem is a public safety problem. Without a doubt. But the county could fund more shelters for the homeless if the Supervisors stopped refusing to add more shelters to their own districts and the county did not waste out money on NEW buildings when OLD buildings with proper renovation and maintenance would suffice.

    Moonbeam Brown just imposed a $52 BILLION DOLLAR (over ten years) gas and vehicle registration tax on us. $0.12 cent / gallon gas hike and your car registration is going up by $100 bucks or more. The liberals are driving the producers out of our State, Norberto. Soon there will be more non-producers than producers. Who the heck is going to pay for all the free services and the brand new government buildings if the non-producers are in the majority???

    No new taxes. No more bonds. The county should pay for the homeless shelters OUT OF POCKET instead of wasting money on new government buildings when the current buildings with proper maintenance would do fine. The rest of the nation does it. Why do our government workers need Cadillac style workplaces?? Are their fat salaries and pensions enough????

    • verifiedsane

      It’s always raise more funds through Bonds (hidden taxes) instead of prioritizing the massive budget they already have! It’s the same disingenuous political story played out over and over again….just dump the ever increasing cost on the average working stiff….talk about a repeating shell game….and it’s all working tax payers of California & OC that are the ones getting conned each and every time.

      • cynthia curran

        Yes, and in the long term the homeless rate will dropped since the Republicans control things in the white house. How, well immigration rates in OC which are a big factor in adding to higher rents are about to dropped alot if Trump reforms legal immigration. Under Obama, rents rise a lot since international immigration increase from only 11,000 in 2011 to about 17,000 by 2016. Trump is allowing less refugees, less H1b holders than Obama. Some of the homeless messed is rated to drug problems which will take longer but lowering immigrants to Orange County will slow down the need for rentals in the long term.

        • LFOldTimer

          None of the snowflakes will admit the obvious – that illegal immigration damages the social and financial fabric of both California and the nation.

          No country ever prospered by importing poverty and illiteracy. Even a buffoon could understand that simple concept.

          And yes. Illegal immigration creates higher demand for housing and increases rent prices. Duh??? This is one BIG factor for the large homeless population in Orange County.

          And illegal immigrants steal jobs from our own underclass – many of whom are homeless today because they can’t find work at a livable wage. The illegals suppress wages too.

          The snowflakes REFUSE to acknowledge these truths. They live in dishonest denial – including the bought off media.

          • Sam

            Yes the greatest country in the world the richest country in the world. How dare those immigrants come here from the desperation in their own country looking for something better. i still cannot believe they let in the Irish just cause they were starving…

          • LFOldTimer

            Oh get outta here.

            America is a SOVEREIGN nation with IMMIGRATION LAWS just like any other CIVILIZED nation.

            There are MILLIONS of PROSPECTIVE LEGAL IMMIGRANTS who have filled out their paperwork, paid their fees, taken their tests, provided information for background checks, had medical exams, etc…. who have waited for TEN YEARS to come to this country and are told to WAIT LONGER since we don’t have room for them.

            In the meantime people like you make EXCUSES for those who VIOLATE our IMMIGRATION LAWS, damage the SOCIAL AND FINANCIAL fabric of the nation and hurt GOOD LEGAL IMMIGRANTS who play by the rules.

            If you want to live in an uncivilized nation move to Borneo.

            But please, don’t impose your makeshift UNCIVILIZED rules on the rest of us.

          • Irish Lass

            i totally agree! The county makes $$$ off of illegal immigration.

            Orange County residents have a right to audit the books, and i mean ALL the books, both sets. Under the county charter any violations of the State Constitution allow for shutting down the county business. If the public servants are found guilty of violating the county charter, bill of rights/dec of independence/constitution through the business of the county then they all may lose their retirements too! Look into the $$$ and where it all ends up, what “other” companies the county owns and realize that the county has a D&B number it is NOT local government and is a business! Sheriffs/Police/Third party contractors have a duty to the rules of the Charter and all have been violating the Constitution folks. Time to learn the rules of the charter include accountability to not use the seats they sit in for unjust enrichment as the Californians in the area are used as thier chattle for $$$ profits. Think about all of this. Homelessness continues to ruin lives, but at what cost to the county? The county is making deals and behind the courts and arrests of these folks all kinds of bonds are being paid out and not to the homeless. Education on book credit and debits, budgets are not what is real they are what is projected. What is real is that there are millions somewhere and it is not in plain site. How about getting a Citizenry together and audit the records? ALL the records?

          • LFOldTimer

            Auditing the records for the purposes of transparency and to expose the corruption is one of the basic duties of our media – but the media is in bed with the government on many levels because it too is rewarded for maintaining the status quo. So a true audit by the media would never ever happen. There is an alliance between big government and the media. A much tighter alliance than between the media and the citizens. And it’s become much worse in the last 20-30 years.

            It’s no surprise that the public unions support illegal immigration. More impoverished and illiterate illegal foreigners means that government must provide more social services. This means more government workers are needed and the county is given a green light to build bigger kingdoms. The public unions don’t give a da*n about what’s best for the greater good or our nation. Their interests only lie in self-interest. They obtain more power as government numbers grow. That’s all they care about. Money & power.

          • justanon

            More ignorant caca.

            WHO EMPLOYS THE UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS?????

            PRIVATE COMPANIES AND INDIVIDUALS!!!!!!

            And why do PRIVATE companies and individuals employ undocumented workers???

            To make M O N E Y!!!!!

            It really IS as simple as that.

            There is no ‘conspiracy’ from ‘evil’ government workers, unless of course you get your information from right-wing LOON sites, lol!!!

          • verifiedsane

            what part of “illegal” don’t you understand snowflake?

          • justanon

            More BS from the old unhinged bigot.

            “No country ever prospered by importing poverty and illiteracy. Even a buffoon could understand that simple concept.”

            Ha, ha, ha, such ignorance!

            HISTORY LESSON: This country was built by IMPORTED SLAVE LABOR! Just like we NOW use and have ALWAYS used, the cheap labor and incredible energy of immigrants to do our dirty work.

            “Give me your tired, your poor,
            Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
            The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
            Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me…”

            Funny, it DOESN’T say:

            “Give me your educated, your wealthy,
            Your elite few yearning to be free of the masses,
            The crème de la crème of your coastal enclaves.
            Send these, the rich and fab-u-lus to me …”

          • verifiedsane

            Here we go again….Diaper Boy the comment section resident anarchist/communist doesn’t miss an opportunity to push their open borders Fidel Castro/Hugo Chavez agenda…..just more of their ignorant racist, misandry, and Anti-American hateful rants and Leftist propaganda….YAWN………………………….

          • LFOldTimer

            Based on the content of the post(s), I really think justanon is anti-American. No idea why someone would want to stay here if they hate national sovereignty and want to flood us with more illegal poverty and illiteracy while hurting and disrespecting good solid LEGAL immigrants who play by the rules.

            Typical spoiled and pampered liberal.

          • justanon

            As a trump supporter you have a lot of nerve calling anyone other than a fellow trump supporter “anti-american”, considering the fact that you support a TRAITOR as POTUS, although with your limited abilities I’m sure the irony of your words flew right over your mushy old head.

          • justanon

            Fidel Castro!!!! Hugo Chavez!!!!
            Anarchy and communism ..oh my!

            Lil’ Joey McCarthy’s on the job, ferreting out us commies cuz’ we are …
            EVERYWHERE!!!

          • verifiedsane

            Diaper Boy’s pitiful and ignorant attacks do nothing to change the truth or persuade anyone….so it’s just more whaa whaa whaa…same old same old….YAWN…. 🙂

          • justanon

            Don’t you have a Seth Rich conspiracy to chase over a cliff, lemming???
            LOL!!!

        • Sam

          I think we should use the 1941 German technique round them up and turn them into Soylent Green.

          • LFOldTimer

            Better yet, just send them back to where they came from. And bring in LEGAL immigrants to replace them. Civilized nations are supposed to act civilized.

            No nation ever prospered by importing poverty and illiteracy.

            If poverty and illiteracy = prosperity all nations would be importing both. Yet none do. Duh?

          • verifiedsane

            How about we just enforce our laws……including immigration laws…I don’t care where an illegal alien comes from, or what color or creed they may associate themselves too….they all should be held accountable equally under the law, and be justly deported…that what good law abiding patriotic Americans all should want and demand…

          • LFOldTimer

            Don’t hit them with too much common sense at once, Verified.

            You might sprain their brains.

      • Irish Lass

        Orange County residents have a right to audit the books, and i mean ALL the books, both sets. Under the county charter any violations of the State Constitution allow for shutting down the county business. If the public servants are found guilty of violating the county charter, bill of rights/dec of independence/constitution through the business of the county then they all may lose their retirements too! Look into the $$$ and where it all ends up, what “other” companies the county owns and realize that the county has a D&B number it is NOT local government and is a business! Sheriffs/Police/Third party contractors have a duty to the rules of the Charter and all have been violating the Constitution folks. Time to learn the rules of the charter include accountability to not use the seats they sit in for unjust enrichment as the Californians in the area are used as thier chattle for $$$ profits. Think about all of this. Homelessness continues to ruin lives, but at what cost to the county? The county is making deals and behind the courts and arrests of these folks all kinds of bonds are being paid out and not to the homeless. Education on book credit and debits, budgets are not what is real they are what is projected. What is real is that there are millions somewhere and it is not in plain site. How about getting a Citizenry together and audit the records? ALL the records?

    • justanon

      “…. activate unused county land in IRVINE, HUNTINGTON BEACH and SANTA ANA for use as temporary shelters for the homeless,”

      What about “UNUSED LAND” IN SOUTH COUNTY??????

      How interesting that some one living in Lake Forest would only mention vacant land in “IRVINE, HUNTINGTON BEACH and SANTA ANA”.

      But what else would we expect from an old hypocrite, lol!!!

      South Orange County has MORE “unused land” than Santa Ana, let’s look there first!!!!