• LFOldTimer

    I watched on video a man who owns a business near this Kraemer Pl. location speak at a Supe’s meeting. I believe he owns the building which houses the business. As I recall he said it would ruin him financially. You see, this is the sort of thing that drives people right off the deep end. A good, decent, productive, taxpaying man minding his own business and trying to make ends meet to the best of his ability. No government pension. His only chance for retirement are the fruits of his own labor. He’s successfully operated the business for years (no easy task). Suddenly, the County plops a 200+ bed homeless shelter next door. All those years of hard work and perseverance flushed. Yep, that’s the sort of stuff that drives men mad. Ever think about that, Mr. Inouye? Imagine yourself in his shoes if you have that ability.

  • LFOldTimer

    Of course Mr. Inouye has a dog in the race being a member of the OCHRC. So I take what he says with a grain of salt. Anyway you size it up it’s wrong to build a massive homeless shelter in OC that’s anywhere near businesses or homes. Naturally the people from the County of Orange and the cops are going to tell you everything will be fine. And once it’s done and they are proven wrong it will be impossible to undo. They know that. How would everything be fine by putting 100’s of homeless people with severe mental problems in one place? Use your common sense. The County has a special selfish interest in moving the homeless from the Civic Center Plaza to Anaheim. Watch them pass a law that kicks the homeless from the Civic Plaza to this new Kraemer Pl. site. Out of sight, out of mind. I bet none of the County officials who spoke at the public forums live or own property anywhere near to the proposed Kraemer Pl. shelter. If they did this project wouldn’t even get off the ground. All of us know that. There should be 10-15 smaller shelters spread throughout the County or a big shelter up in the Canyons far away from homes and businesses – with transportation provided by the County. But that would never happen. It makes too much sense.

    • David Zenger

      Was that the same OCHRC that roundly condemned the murder of Kelly Thomas by six members of the FPD? Oops. No, they were the people that turned it into a homeless issue.

      • LFOldTimer

        Lapdogs for the power brokers, right or wrong.

  • David Zenger

    Mr. Inouye, thanks (I guess) for your PR piece. You didn’t mention that the Big Show was an orchestrated event with support hauled in to cheerlead. I don’t see anything to be gained by insulting the people who are having your shelter foisted on them.

    As to your history: isn’t it amazing how all those great people could bump heads for so long and still not come up with a decent plan?

    FYI – Spitzer, as ever looking for a camera and a klieg light, took up the cause for Kraemer Place – a site presented to him by Anaheim.

    Too bad Brandman and Murray chose the WRONG location. There are no homeless nearby – just a bunch of irate neighbors. They did it to distract attention from the $3,000,000 they already spent (wasted?) on a much better location – on Karcher Way, a site that RIGHT NOW has real homeless people pitching tents up again the fence. These are real homeless people, amigo, not some government abstraction. Please tell all those great County employees to go take a look, if it’s not too much trouble.

    Now…

    Just once I would like someone – professional philanthropists or houseacrats – to demonstrate why a massively expensive, permanent structure is the one and only approach to dealing with a homeless challenge that spans a plethora of problems and human behavior – instead of a solution that is agile, mobile, and flexible – and millions less expensive. For some reason the public is expected to take the word of a bunch of “experts” who have still to accomplish anything after all these years of heavy cogitatin.’

    Kramer will cost at least $10 million in capital account to open (in a few years), and millions more to operate every year on revenue account. That money, properly applied, could help thousands of people without having to build a single permanent foundation – and it could be started on Karcher Way in a matter of months. True, there will be no bronze plaque with the politicians names on it, but is that really so important (hint – it is to them)?

    I grow weary of people with good intentions creating more problems than they solve. The gesture is meaningless without success, no matter how good it makes you feel at first.

    • LFOldTimer

      And by the time this project is up and running and the warts become obvious most of the Supervisors will be gone from the Board. The new ones will say “Don’t blame us. We didn’t approve it”. Same ‘ol, same ‘ol. And the lifelong unelected bureaucrats in County government who promoted it will safe as houses and immune from any professional repercussions. Not hard to figure out.

      • David Zenger

        True. All the usual suspects will have moved on to their next elected office.

        The big problem on this site (If you don’t count the cost, and why would you – since of course money is no object to these people) is the logistics of getting people to and from this ridiculously remote location. Many of the homeless would simply refuse to go there.

        • LFOldTimer

          But OC is a densely populated area. If centrally located it would be impossible to place a massive 200+ bed shelter away from homes or businesses. Somebody’s going to get hurt. That’s why the only good solutions would be to either operate 10-15 more manageable smaller shelters throughout the County or put a big shelter up in the canyons and the County could provide the transportation. I feel sorry for the business owners, property owners and residents near Kraemer Pl. I certainly wouldn’t want this draconian solution imposed on me. And I won’t wish it on anyone else. I was raised to be civilized.

          • David Zenger

            “That’s why the only good solutions would be to either operate 10-15 more manageable smaller shelters throughout the County…”

            Bingo!

            I only advocate for the Karcher site because it’s already bought and paid for. Rather like Brandman and Murray.