California Submerged: Rising Seas are claiming its famed coast faster than scientists imagined

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The planet’s seas are warming, which means that water molecules are bouncing around and expanding, increasing the volume of water. And water has a tremendous capacity to retain heat, absorbing more than 90 percent of the warming atmosphere.

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A slow-moving emergency is lapping at California’s shores— climate-driven sea-level rise that experts now predict could elevate the water in coastal areas up to 10 feet in just 70 years, gobbling up beachfront and overwhelming low-lying cities.

The speed with which polar ice is melting and glacier shelves are cracking off indicates to some scientists that once-unthinkable outer-range projections of sea rise may turn out to be too conservative. A knee-buckling state-commissioned report warns that if nothing changes, California’s coastal waters will rise at a rate 30 to 40 times faster than in the last century.

The potential result: crippled economies, compromised public safety, submerged infrastructure, and a forced retreat from our iconic Pacific coast.

No state has done more than California to curb greenhouse gas emissions that contribute to climate change and sea-level rise. But experts say that even if carbon reductions continue, residual warming of the ocean will continue unchecked, breeding surges that will impact the state’s coast and Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta.

In March the U.S. Geological Survey estimated that without concerted intervention, as much as 67 percent of Southern California’s beaches could be lost to rising seas by the end of the century.

A consensus of scientific research makes catastrophic projections that, in the worst case, will be reality by the end of this century:

  • International airports in San Francisco and Oakland will face flooding, rendering them unusable.
  • Housing perched on fast-eroding coastal bluffs in Pacifica and elsewhere will continue to crash into the sea.
  • Malibu’s Broad Beach will dwindle into a seldom-seen slice of sand, its name an oxymoron.
  • Flooding in the Delta will overwhelm rivers and strain levees critical to California’s water supply.
  • Power plants, nuclear waste sites and other sensitive waterside sites need to be fortified or lost.
  • Roads, bridges and railways along the coast from Mendocino to San Diego will be  abandoned and relocated inland.
  • San Francisco’s Embarcadero and low-lying cities such as Huntington Beach will flood more frequently and more severely.
  • More than 42,000 homes in California will be under water—not merely flooded, but with seawater over roofs.

The grim outlook is mirrored in the latest report, which was presented April 26 for adoption by the state’s Ocean Protection Council. Its sea-level rise projections will assist state agencies and local governments with planning.

No stretch of the state’s 3,400 miles of coast, bays, inlets and islands will be spared. Addressing sea-level rise will cost a staggering amount of public and private money, and will particularly impact the poor and vulnerable. The problem becomes more urgent with much of California’s wealth huddled along the coast, supporting an ocean-dependent $44 billion economy.

Watch below an animation of sea level projections for the Southern California region, including Orange County:

In the end, state and local officials may come to the gut-wrenching conclusion that some coastal land should be simply abandoned.

“We’re not doing well at all,” said Democratic Assemblyman Mark Stone, chairman of the Select Committee on Coastal Protection and Access to Natural Resources. “We have yet to really start to answer the hard questions and make policy—saying, ‘No, we are not going to put public money here.’ Eventually we should get to the point that we are not going to do any public investment in those places any more.”

Most scientists tread lightly in the policy realm, providing the information for others to craft into regulations. Not Bill Patzert, who has for years sounded the alarm about rising oceans.

“It’s not an existential threat. It’s real. It’s gonna happen,” said Patzert, a climatologist at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory. “Here’s the bigger issue: If you’re in the tunnel and you see the train coming at you, what do you do? Do you race towards it or do you back out? It’s just common sense. As a society, why aren’t we doing that?”

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From deep in the hive of large brains at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, set hard against the San Gabriel Mountains, an intense group of scientists from Caltech and the NASA are harnessing satellites that for decades have been peering into space and are now directing their gaze to Earth.

The researchers—with advanced degrees in physics, mathematics and oceanography—are engaged in what many consider to be the critical research of our time.

They are watching ice melt.

Sitting alone in a cubicle, bathed in the glow of a computer screen or staring down the barrel of a telescope, can be a balm for scientists. Concerning themselves with one finite slice of a planet-wide catastrophe allows them to compartmentalize and disengage from the entire sobering picture.

But even professional detachment fails against the unfolding horror show depicted in the cold display of satellite imagery.

“We are in the process of watching the ice sheet in Greenland disappear,” said the lab’s oceanographer Josh Willis, who leads a team studying Greenland. “This is the first time humans have been able to measure it. The last time it was shrinking at this rate was tens of thousands of years ago.”

The diminishment of Greenland’s ice mass has been accelerating alarmingly, losing a trillion tons in the last four years. The rapid melting is getting the attention of scientists because locked away in the Greenland ice sheet is the possibility to raise global sea levels by 24 feet. The Antarctic holds 187 feet of potential ice melt. Polar ice loss on that scale would have unfathomable consequences for continued life on earth.

Willis uses satellites to measure the warmth of the waters around Greenland. Because he has a sense of humor, his project is known to all as OMG: Oceans Melting Greenland. (He preferred calling it Water Temperature Fjords, but couldn’t get the acronym past government sensibilities.)

“As scientists, we’re witnessing these huge events, and it’s telling us how the Earth is changing,” Willis said. “Of course, I’m also a citizen, I live on this planet, and it is worrying that it’s happening. It’s sometimes profoundly shocking to wake up and realize we’re reshaping our entire planet.”

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Understanding the threat of sea-level rise in California depends to some extent on where you are standing: Boots in the dust of the Central Valley and you might curse the lateness of a rail shipment held up by flooding at the port of Oakland; bare feet in the sand at Huntington Beach and you may have to consider relocating your family, your home and all your possessions.

Some simple math: Every inch of sea-level rise equates to an 8- to 10-feet loss of beach. So, using the conservative projection of a 4-foot rise, and the lower-end 8-foot-per inch formula, that equates to 384 feet of coastal beach loss in the next 70 years.

The 10-foot rise scenario, which scientists peg as the new worst-case, would cause a land loss of 800 feet—the length of two-and-a-half football fields. The sea will not rise the same amount in every place; scientists say each discrete elevation is dependent on factors such as the shape of the sea floor and the slope of the landfall.

Considering the scope of this coming catastrophe, it does not appear to be front-of-mind to many in the state. But that doesn’t mean it’s gone unstudied. California has a peerless capacity to turn over problems until they are smooth and shiny. Understanding comes first, with action often a distant and expensive second.

A tour through recent scientific analyses:

A 2009 report on sea-level rise commissioned by the state paints worst-case scenarios that are the stuff of disaster movies: A half-million Californians at risk of flooding and more than $100 billion worth of infrastructure. More than two dozen coastal power plants flooded, along with hundreds of hazardous waste facilities, as well as schools, hospitals, police stations, ports and major airports.

A 2012 report prepared for the California Energy Commission focused just on the San Francisco Bay and its 1,000 miles of shoreline, concluding: “Rising sea levels will overwhelm the existing protection structures, putting the 140,000 people currently living in vulnerable areas at increased risk.” The authors cautioned their findings did not reflect worst-case scenarios. And, if no action is taken to address the vulnerabilities, the risk projections should be considered “substantially low.”

The California Assembly weighed in with a report in 2014, and the next year the Senate chimed in with its own review, amping it up a bit: “With current projections, rising seas combined with a 100-year flood event would close over 2,000 miles of roadway, the Oakland and San Francisco airports, and the Port of Oakland.”

The sobering fact of those state-of-the-art reports, recent though they are, is that they are already out of date and not nearly comprehensive enough in describing the scope of what currently faces California. Nor remotely scary enough. What scientists are observing now is, they say, a rapid and steep change that, even as it unfolds over comparatively long periods of time, is nonetheless occurring at a breathtaking pace.

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Sea-level rise is caused primarily by two factors related to global warming: the expansion of seawater as it heats up and the added water volume from melting ice. Researchers focused on glacial melt in Greenland and Antarctica see the process as an action-packed cataclysm marked by heaving ice shelves collapsing into the sea and sheets of decaying ice sloughing off the end of a continent.

The power unleashed by that tide of ice is awesome to contemplate. Water has always been one of the most destructive and transformative forces in nature. With warmer waters creating more energy that incubates more powerful storms, some see a near future in which seas assault our coast more frequently and with greater force. Exhibit A: California’s past winter, when repeated storms lashed the state, resulting in a preliminary price tag of $569 million and a federal disaster declaration.

Scientists warn that intensified El Nino events, coupled with higher seas, will bring about unprecedented flooding. What civil engineers refer to as nuisance flooding—overwhelmed storm sewers and street flooding—is already more common. King Tides are getting worse. Commuting times, the ability of first-responders to get to an accident scene, and the transportation of goods by road will be severely compromised, researchers say.

That risk, too, can be observed at its point of origin. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) maintains tide gauges that bob and float in U.S. waters, sentinels sending out a stream of data measuring current sea levels. The information feeds tidal forecasts used by surfers and mariners, and is also monitored by emergency services.

The tide and currents map is both colorful and alarming. The maps depict the North American continent ringed by arrows pointing straight up, denoting trending rising sea levels, like pickets defending the coast.

It turns out the coast is all-but defenseless.

Brett Sanders, a civil and environmental engineer at UC Irvine, is using a grant from the National Science Foundation to help inform communities along the California and northern Mexican coast about the risk of rising waters. Most people are thrilled that they’ve managed to fulfill a dream of living near the beach, Sanders said, and are unaware of what they should do to protect themselves.

“We have done a bad job of mapping flood risk. It’s awful,” Sanders said.

Zillow, the website that calculates residential real estate values, recently took its maps of coastal property and overlaid NOAA’s sea-level projections. Using what are now thought to be conservative projections, the company estimated 2 million coastal homes in the United States would be underwater by the end of the century. Not as in being upside down on a mortgage, but as in fish swimming through the den. The total value of those homes? Nearly $1 trillion, in California, $49 billion.

Zillow’s chief economist, Svenja Gudell, said she was surprised that when the company shared its information with mayors or city planners, officials saw it as an event that would take place far in the future.  “For some of these places the time horizon is not 100 years, it’s happening now,” she said. “It’s not as top of mind as it should be or you would like it to be. People are underinsured when it comes to flood insurance. The system is broken.”

Gudell said that her research showed that homeowners living in high-risk areas are not getting market cues —real estate values in beach areas destroyed by Hurricane Sandy are now higher than before the superstorm that played out on national television in the fall of 2012.

“We were not able to explain that rationally,” Gudell said. “We will see in the future, if you are on a cliff and that cliff is further eroding and if you put a piece of property on that land, it won’t be safe anymore. For now, the benefit of living in these homes clearly outweighs the current and future cost of living there.”

Which leaves us with the National Flood Insurance Program, a troubled and debt-ridden program operated by the Federal Emergency Management Agency. The flood insurance covers millions of Americans living in flood zones, based on maps that are decades out of date. The program is currently $24 billion in debt and requires reauthorization from Congress.

Critics of the federal insurance say the rates don’t reflect current risks, leaving taxpayers on the hook for someone else’s folly.

Democratic state Sen. Henry Stern represents a coastal district that includes Malibu and a string of state beaches. A lifelong surfer, he understands the attraction.

“It’s so alluring,” he said of living by the beach. “But my whole thing is to make the market tell the truth about it. We know where sea level rise is going to happen. What I don’t want to happen is for all of us to bear the bill afterwards.”

Even with the horrific projections scientists have repeatedly shared about public health and safety associated with rising seas, it might be the economic cost that spurs action. A 2016 paper published in the journal Nature estimated the annual global cost for sea-level rise adaptation measures at about $421 billion per year.

The authors of the study argue that the figure doesn’t take into account population growth and clustering around coasts. By the year 2100, the report warns, the price tag for mass relocations could exceed $14 trillion. Given California’s coastal population clusters—75 percent of the state’s residents live in a coastal county—the figure here will be enormous.

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The Ocean Protection Council receiving the new science report is a state agency whose mission, as its name implies, is to look after the welfare of California’s piece of the Pacific Ocean. It’s an almost laughably large responsibility, and one that the members approach thoughtfully.

The report placed the scientific findings at the forefront, said Liz Whiteman, the science and strategy director for the Ocean Science Trust, which was a partner in the study. That means the analysis does not entertain the question of whether climate change is altering the behavior of the Pacific. Nor does it belabor stale arguments about how weather has always changed. It is, rather, an unsparing document that presents the best projections about the range of sea rise, and, for the first time, assigns a probability and risk to those numbers.

“California is in a great place for being willing to call the hard question and not shying away,” Whiteman said. “There is no doubt that there is some scary information contained in a report looking at sea-level rise and our future.”

Dan Cayan, one of seven scientists who contributed to the newest report, is a researcher at Scripps Institution of Oceanography, investigating how climate affects changes in oceans. Viewed from his office window in La Jolla, the Pacific Ocean appears benign and soothing. But a glimpse into the updated information he’s assembling paints a different, darker picture.

New data and more sophisticated modeling, he said, coupled with more extreme climate warming, “Is going to be pushing the amount of sea-level rise above what was thought to be reasonable.”

Comparing previous projections to current ones, he said, is no longer useful. “We’re actually off this scale,” he said.

Cayan pulls out the 2012 report from the National Research Council, which is the basis for California’s current sea-level rise assumptions and the predicate for the state’s coastal policies. The mid-range of its projections envisions about 3 feet of rise by 2100.

Then he carefully takes out a sheet with the new data. Cayan points at the the elaborate graphs to the updated mid-range projection— 8½ feet. Cayan and his colleagues shrug off questions about how to apply their science—that’s the job of the politicians. But the report does counsel state officials to consider the worst-case scenario in their deliberations, and cautions: “Waiting for scientific certainty is neither a safe nor prudent option.”

So what now? California planners and policymakers will pore over the latest report. Their deliberations will result, at some point, in “updated guidance” to use the parlance of the bureaucracy. The final document will help local officials incorporate the sea-level rise projections into their future plans for building and safety, in some cases altering zoning and building codes.

Meanwhile, Greenland’s summer ice melt season begins, and the 2-mile deep ice sheet that was created in the last Ice Age continues to shrink. Researchers drilling ice cores have been astounded to find more and more streams of water rushing below the sheet—a river of water scything through ice. The proliferation of these ‘melt streams’ is leading scientists to consider that the loss of Greenland’s ice may be set on an unstoppable trajectory.

No longer a matter of if, but only of when.

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  • Lyanna Lyns

    Anyone else reminded of the trailer to the new movie Geostorm? I love when the real world imitates movies…

  • CrushAllDems

    Fine with me. TAKE IT ALL!!

  • Mieau Gatto

    Sea-level rise
    (SLR) along the West Coast has been more or less continuous during the 20th Century ,
    but has been marked by considerable interannual and decadal variability (Bromirski et al.
    2003). Interestingly, the records in Figure 1 do not indicate recent increases in the rates
    of SLR, but rather have been relatively flat since about 1983.

    http://www.water.ca.gov/floodmgmt/dsmo/sab/drmsp/docs/SeaLevel_ClimaticChange-Cayan_etal.pdf

  • Mieau Gatto

    Explain this to me: Melting Ice Packs world wide will cause the seas to rise 10, 20, whatever number of feet, right? The Global Warming “Experts” have estimated that any where between 30 to 60 percent of the Ice Packs have already melted. Hence, correct me if I am wrong:

    If just 25 percent of the Ice Packs have melted, and total Ice Pack melt would result in just a 10 foot increase, should we not have experienced about a 2.5 foot increase in Sea Levels?

    Put a few ice cubes on the center of a dinner plate. Watch them melt. In equal percentage to the melting ice, the resulting water spreads from the center of the plate toward the edges.

    If just 25 percent of the Ice Packs have melted—Where’s is the sea level rise?

    I am not saying the ice is not melting, but we’re not seeing anything close to the predicted rise in sea level.

    I fish in a Salt Water Bay. Same place for over 30 years. There is a cement sea wall that extends about 10 feet from the shore. I use this wall to measure tide levels as I fish. There are certain cracks and defects in the wall that I use as a guideline. In 30 years, there has not been any change in the water level in the Bay, which is directly connected to the Ocean.

    • justanon

      There’s a difference between sea ice and land ice, sea ice melting doesn’t and won’t affect sea levels, but it will bring change like the extinction of the polar bears, etc.

      What is concerning scientists now is the melting of Greenland’s land ice. If Greenland’s land ice were to melt, sea level’s would rise approx. 20ft, but of course that sea level rise wouldn’t affect all areas of the world equally.

      Since 1880 sea level has risen about 8 inches, but some locales have seen more, like Galviston and New Orleans and some less, like L.A.. In the last 50 years L.A. has only seen 2.5 inches in sea level rise so if your salt water bay is anywhere near there, you probably wouldn’t have noticed the difference on your wall, but homeowners would have experienced more frequent flooding, less sand protection, etc.

      http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/impacts/infographic-sea-level-rise-global-warming.html#.WVuXUNPytAY

      • Mieau Gatto

        You are an idiot.

        • justanon

          In other words … you’ve got nothing.

      • Mieau Gatto

        Sorry, but I was in the mood to set you up by posing the question. Every challenge to Global Warming is met with a “New” “Scientific” excuse as to the the prior “Scientific Excuse” being shown as not valid. You Global Warming Fanatic Zealots look more and more foolish every time you try to defend yourselves. Do yourselves a favor—Shut Up. You just bury yourselves more and more with every comment.

        • LFOldTimer

          These are the same ideological buffoons who swore up and down that Trump conspired with Putin to manipulate the 2016 Presidential election vote that resulted in Trump’s wins and Hillary’s loss. lol. Now we know how laughable that allegation was. So now that they can’t connect Trump with any wrongdoing they’re going after his family. lol. They are recklessly vengeful and full of spite. None of them acknowledge that the DNC conspired with the media to rig the election by providing Hillary with questions to the Presidential debates in advance of the actual debate events, which was a deliberate act to alter the course of the Presidential elections. They root for the home team regardless of how deceitful and dishonest the home team happens to be. lol. Laugh at them.

          • justanon

            “Now we know” … hardly!

            The Special Prosecutors work has just begun. He’s hired 13 attorney’s (and more to come) with expertise in RICO, money laundering and criminal law.

            “They are recklessly vengeful and full of spite” says the folks who supported ENDLESS investigations into the Clinton’s.

            HYPOCRITE doesn’t even begin to describe you trumpsters.

          • LFOldTimer

            Claptrap on ignore.

            Nothing follows………

        • justanon

          Ha, ha, ha, your insult’s are quite rich coming from someone who CAN’T formulate a factual response or even a LITERATE one.

          “Every challenge to Global Warming is met with a “New” “Scientific” excuse as to the the prior “Scientific Excuse” being shown as not valid. ”

          What does that ‘sentence’ even mean?

          Scientific knowledge does progress, scientific research always expands to encompass new information as that’s the very essence of the field.

          You climate change deniers are being fooled by the very same strategies (and corporate interests) they used to try and convince folks that cigarette smoking didn’t cause cancer.

          In short, you are too dumb to reason with.

          • Mieau Gatto

            You are an idiot.

          • verifiedsane

            You might as well be conversing with a block wall, than attempting to reason with the one trick donkey anarchist antifa fascist provocateur justadiaperboy. They only come here to attack others, instigate conflict, and spew their hate filled rhetoric.

          • justanon

            Says the lil’ Joey McCarthy of the VOC who just called me no less than 7 names in one sentence. You are good for a laugh if nothing else.

          • Mieau Gatto

            You are still an idiot. (Note: Excepting this “Canned” explanation, and my “Canned” Bait, I will never debate an Idiot).

          • justanon

            Again, other than your “idiot” insult, the rest of your comment is nonsensical.
            Of course you don’t want to “debate”, you can’t even write, lol.

          • justanon

            “The overwhelming majority of scientists who study climate change agree that human activity is responsible for changing the climate. The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is one of the largest bodies of international scientists ever assembled to study a scientific issue, involving more than 2,500 scientists from more than 130 countries. The IPCC has concluded that most of the warming observed during the past 50 years is attributable to human activities. Its findings have been publicly endorsed by the national academies of science of all G-7 nations, as well as those of China, India and Brazil.”

            http://davidsuzuki.org/issues/climate-change/science/climate-change-basics/climate-change-deniers/

            Mieau Gatto who can’t write a coherent sentence doesn’t believe in Global Warming because he can’t ‘see it’ happening and yet he has the audacity to call me an “idiot”, lol.
            Here’s a tip Mieau: if you want to insult someone, you need to first prove that you’re smarter than a retarded fruit fly.

          • Mieau Gatto

            You are an idiot.

          • justanon

            You’ve expressed that very deep analysis about three times before. Oh, snap! LOL!

    • LFOldTimer

      Don’t try to reason with an ideological buffoon, Mieau.

      Better to ignore.

  • LFOldTimer

    BEWARE: Somewhere behind this liberal hand-wringing fear mongering there is ANOTHER BIG TAX HIKE in the works.

    And the Sacramento con artists will tell you if you don’t capitulate and open up your wallets that the ocean waters will wash us away and we’ll all die.

    They tried to scare you with the 500 year drought fake news until we got nearly 30″ of rain last winter. lol. That fell apart on them so now they’re back to the rising ocean waters! lol.

    The Democrats will do or say anything to get into your wallets.

    Just like they did with the $52 billion dollar gas and car registration tax that YOU didn’t get to vote on. They decided for ya!!!!

    Sooner or later California will subsist of only MediCal and food stamp recipients.

    But nobody will be left to pay for it. Even the rich Hollyweird liberals will flee the state. lol.

    Illinois and California have a lot in common.

    • justanon

      While this article focuses on how Climate Change will affect California’s coastline specifically, Climate Change is affecting the entire planet and is ACCEPTED AS FACT, BY SCIENTISTS WORLDWIDE including those in the Pentagon, hardly a bastion of “liberal hand-wringing”.

      Only someone with a perverted and silly perspective would would distill this article down to being an ‘only California’ problem and a tax generating hoax, but then again we must consider the source. LFOldBigot isn’t known for deep thoughtful analysis, but rather his shallow, knee-jerk, hyper-partisan, propaganda and BS.

      • Mieau Gatto

        You are an idiot.

        • LFOldTimer

          Thanks for you insightful input, Gatto.

          The climate gurus (scientists) have already been discredited for rigging (manipulating) the climate data found in their international study that examined “gloBULL warming”. The whole thing was a quid-pro-quo hoax. This is easily verified with a simple google search. Only those in denial still believe the lies.

          I’ve been to the Huntington Beach Pier and boardwalk many times over the last 30 years. The water is no deeper at high tide than in was in 1990. lol. One doesn’t have to be a climatologist to figure that out. All you need are 2 good eyes and a few working brain cells. lol.

          This article makes it sound like the water surge is threatening the general population in the area. It’s not. It’s just more FAKE NEWS!!!

          Enjoy your 4th, Gatto.

          • justanon

            Wow, so you’ve “been to the Huntington Beach Pier and boardwalk many times over the last 30 years. The water is no deeper at high tide than in was in 1990” well, why don’t you sit down and write one of them scientific papers all them eggheads are always talking about and submit it to the IPCC? I’m sure they’d be blown away by your astute observations and would give up on all this climate change and global warming nonsense!

            This is the level of crap you climate deniers indulge in. Proof of the extremely sad and shameful lack of critical thinking skills by the mentally challenged imbeciles on the right who’ve been hood-winked by their corporate masters.

            Keep posting the ‘anecdotal observations’ as they only expose the complete absence of anything resembling intelligence among your ilk!

            You fools are your own worst enemy. LOL!

          • LFOldTimer

            Claptrap on ignore.

            Nothing follows………..

    • verifiedsane

      “There’s a sucker born every minute”

      “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – George Santayana

      http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/02/the-1970s-global-cooling-alarmism.html

      WARNING: THE BIG FREEZE

      “We will be forced to sacrifice democracy by the laws that will protect us from further pollution.” – Dr. Arnold Reitze, 1970

      “The scientists and computers at the National Oceanic and
      Atmospheric Administration were confidently predicting that the frigid
      weather would continue. The chilling pronouncement of NOAA’s senior
      climatologist: ‘The forecast is for no change.’ ”
      – Time Magazine, 1977

      Washington Times: An inconvenient truth: ‘Climate change industry’ now a $1.5 trillion global business

      “The plaintive calls about global warming and loss of polar bear
      habitats, the stern warnings about rising seas and flooded coastlines –
      this is what the public hears about. Then there’s this pesky,
      inconvenient truth they don’t hear about: $1.5 trillion.“Interest
      in climate change is becoming an increasingly powerful economic driver,
      so much so that some see it as an industry in itself whose growth is
      driven in large part by policy making”

      • justanon

        “THE BIG FREEZE” was about the WEATHER (it was a particularly cold winter in 1976-77) and NOT Climate Change, but the nitwit crowd is easily fooled because they just parrot the crap they read and hear from their right-wing media sources which are usually funded by right-wing billionaires with fossil-fuel interests and they NEVER BOTHER TO FACT-CHECK THE CRAP THAT THEY ACCEPT AS TRUE.

        Climate scientists aren’t profiting off climate science, but entrepreneurs are …. BIG, HUGE DIFFERENCE. New technologies and alternative energy sources are profitable, what a surprise … NOT.

        • verifiedsane

          What part of being IGNORED don’t you understand moron?

          • justanon

            Ha, ha, ha, replying to my comment to say that your ignoring my comment is ‘oxymoronic’ at best, genius.

      • LFOldTimer

        They don’t even call it “global warming” anymore because the liberal scientists were proven wrong. They got caught rigging the data to manipulate the average temps throughout the globe. lol. “Global warming” has already been discredited. Now they call their new manufactured crisis “climate change” instead. lol.

        And yes, it’s a money grab. It’s all about digging deeper in your wallet to save us from climate Armageddon. And if we all don’t buckle under and pay up it will be the end of the world!!! LOL!!!!

        • justanon

          There is still Global Warming which refers to the real and verifiable man-made warming trend across the entire Earth since the early 20th century and then there is Climate Change which refers to a broad range of global phenomena which are caused by Global Warming.

          Most people use Climate Change now so as not to upset silly and poorly informed people who confuse weather (look it’s snowing) and climate.

          It’s really the DUMBING DOWN of science for folks like you.

          • LFOldTimer

            Claptrap on ignore.

            Nothing follows………….

  • verifiedsane

    People, it’s now time to invest in beach front property in the state of Nevada before it’s to late….the oceans are rising, the big earth quake is coming, and the sky is surely falling……This no doubt will be followed by the next great ice age, with the coming end of all the dinosaurs and mankind……”the report does counsel state officials to consider the worst-case scenario in their deliberations, and cautions: “Waiting for scientific certainty is neither a safe nor prudent option.” or in other words…we must end the middle class comrades, tax tax tax the poor, and enrich the ruling oligarchy and intellectual class before it’s to late….come on people, the climate lobby allows knows better! Everyone knows that after all, Right?…this dire warning is almost and kind of scientific certainty….these fear tactics are absolutely classic….now all we need to do is get the corporate news media get on board to lift this to a dire immediate crisis situation….LMAO…of course just maybe; nature is just going to do, what it’s going to do, as it always has….and all those self proclaimed human species gods will just have to adjust over time… 🙂

    • justanon

      Not surprising that the always ignorant and always wrong, verifiedinsane would weigh-in with his standard gibberish.

      What else would you expect from someone who just regurgitates the crappolla he reads on right-wing anti-science, anti-education and anti-logic websites?

      Most amusing is how gullible saps like him are, he really believes that climate scientists (“the climate lobby”) are trying to “enrich the ruling oligarchy and intellectual class” at the expense of the poor, yet all the ‘science’ he believes in is funded by the multi-trillion dollar fossil fuel industry.

      You know what they say … “you can’t fix stupid”.

      • verifiedsane

        justadiaperboy provides us the anarchist antifa hate spew position for everyone to ignore…

        • LFOldTimer

          Trump and the Russians conspired to raise the Pacific Ocean water levels to flood the California coast since California voted overwhelmingly for Hillary. lol.

          The Trump and Putin payback. lol.

          • verifiedsane

            LMAO….CNN special report to follow, demanding a special counsel be appointed to investigate….

          • justanon

            Yeah, this from the two ‘geniuses’ that fell for the Seth Rich ‘scandal’ hook, line and sinker or as I like to call it: the Fox ‘News’ special sucker punch for SUCKERS, LOL.

          • verifiedsane

            IGNORED…