Nelson: Women, Donald Trump and Our Political Life

I have been asked on different occasions over the past year what my thoughts were on how this election cycle was playing out. I often find it useful to think about an individual action or event that can represent the bigger picture.

It is a well-documented phenomenon for domestic abuse victims, that one of if not the most dangerous moment, is when the abuser finds out she’s leaving. The abuser has constructed an elaborate fantasy based on unreal expectations of the perfect relationship. In in his alternative reality he is the perfect partner. He is able to rationalize all the abuse by pointing to her shortcomings, her failings. His fantasy is built on how powerful he is and how powerless she is. He has convinced her that she is worthless, undesirable and the only through his magnanimous grace does she have a place to be. When she asserts her power and efficacy over her own self and makes the choice to leave, this disrupts the fantasy. And he will do anything to maintain this fantasy including killing her. This risk increases exponentially if she is taking children especially if it’s a son. In his eyes, she is stealing his property.

Now imagine a segment of our population, largely white man over the age of 50 doing this as a collective group.

They live in the fantasy that as a white person they are by definition better, smarter and entitled to the privileges they enjoy. This fantasy took a hit when a black man was elected president. For the hard-core racist this was unforgivable. But for many man they could overlook his skin color because a least it is a man. As the nomination of a woman to run for President of the United States came closer and closer to reality they turned to someone to be their standard bearer, a living embodiment of their fantasy world. An older white man who uses and discards women as he sees fits the man, whose money allows them him to do and live their ultimate fantasy. I do not know the literally truth but I know they admire him under the belief that he raped his wife, had affairs when ever he wanted and when women no longer serve his needs he discarded them. These people would rather destroy this country and everything it stands for then have this fantasy end.

The most important point however when we condemn the actions of those who cross the line is to recognize that this would not continue without a base of Supporting players. These players include:

Every man who had did not have an affirmative consent and had sex with a woman anyway, because she ‘wanted it’. (That by the way is rape.)

Every person who told a woman she was ruining a man’s life when she reported her sexually assaulted or rape.

Every man who was verbally or physical abusive to a woman for not wanting to talk to him or give him her phone number.

Every man who thinks a woman is incapable of making her own reproductive choices.

Every employer who pays women less just for being woman.

Every employer who privileges hiring a man over a woman.

Every man who expected a woman to play dumb so he didn’t look bad.

Every man who told a woman that his career was more important than her job.

And last and most importantly every person who was silent when any of these things happened you are the building blocks that Donald Trump stands on.

Barbara Nelson, North County Democratic Activist

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  • BeeBee.BeeLeaves

    A week into this discussion and Assange had his internet cut off just as he was set to release Hillarity video that compromises her run for president. Overnight, people were worried he had been in fact droned, as some of those emails show that HC had suggested. Another, we came, we saw, he’s dead scenario. Which could be cause for WW3 to start. Oh.What.Fun. This, after the Podesta polenta emails were released last week. And everyone things they are electing. Selected. By globalists.

    Nothing more to see here, move along now.

  • Vicki

    “And last and most importantly every person who was silent when any of these things happened you are the building blocks that Donald Trump stands on.”
    I am wondering since “remaining silent” seems to be the worst of the things listed, why Hillary is seemingly given a pass. Can anyone tell me what Hillary said (or actually did) about Bill and Monica, Bill and Jennifer, about 12 year old girl who was raped?
    I wish we could sit on a jury and in real time see simultaneous videos of Bill and Monica, and/or Bill and Jennifer on one screen and on the other screen play the video of Trump with is “locker room talk”.
    Would we be offended as women by both? Yes, I would but I can say I am extremely concerned with a woman who did not throw her husband to the wolves when he preyed on other women. She stood by him and that should concern everyone because if she cannot protect even herself (stop or I’ll divorce you and mean it) from this (in your face) adulterous behavior by her husband in chief (that took place over and over again) then ask yourself; how can she protect our nation?

    • BeeBee.BeeLeaves

      Yep. And again, Huma with Weiner dog? Ewwwww. Why so stupid when it comes to their own men? Because they are the battle, but not the war.

      Hillarity stayed with Bill because of his ties to the Rockefellers, and thusly the Bilderberg Bunch, aka presidential selection committee. No one is elected any more, not since Bush Sr. In 2007, it was decided that O first, then H. This year, at the conference in Dresden, invited were H’s people, including an exec from Goldman Sachs, Lindsey Graham (that gop uprising?), Petreaus, Kissinger as usual. Remember his control oil, control countries, control food, control people mantra?

      One hemisphere, no republic. Fundamental changes.

  • Gunny98

    Liberal hypocrisy…….Chastise Trump for his “locker room talk,” yet embrace rap artist’s who degrade women with their song lyrics, you know “bitches & ho’s.”

    • annomouse

      Is there some rap artist out there running for POTUS? There is and should be a different standard for an artist than someone running to be the leader of the free world. I find it hard to believe that such a basic, basic premise seems to escape Trump supporters.

      • BeeBee.BeeLeaves


        Now I wish Ice T had run. Coco would have been a fun first lady. Max and Spartacus, first dogs. He could of sang “I’m so Fly” on inauguration day.

        Life is never easy.

      • LFOldTimer

        Michelle Obama condemned Trump for his “locker-room talk” 10 years ago. She said that his predatory words shook her to her core and “enough is enough”.

        Yet from the other side of her mouth Michelle said “Beyonce could not be a better role model for my girls.” ha. Have you ever watched Beyonce perform in public? ha.

        When’s the last time Michelle talked about the stained blue dress? ha.

        Michelle is nothing more than a propagandist. Just like the mainstream media.

        • annomouse

          Why should Michelle talk about the stained blue dress? How is it relevant?

          A) That was a consensual affair.

          B) Bill Clinton is not running for POTUS.

          C) The Republicans spent years and over 70 MILLION tax payer dollars investigating the Clintons. They got their pound-of-flesh, he was impeached.

          When, oh when are YOU going to address Trump’s behavior? We know he raped his wife and is now facing a child rape case. He is a known pervert, the deeds proven by his words.
          Beyonce is an artist, again a different standard than a potential POTUS.

          • LFOldTimer

            How is the stained blue dress relevant? ha. Are you joking?

            Michelle Trump condemns Trump for locker room talk but failed to mention that Bill Clinton tainted the Oval Office forever by using his power and fame while married to seduce a young impressionable female intern to engage in lewd acts with him on the same desk that Abraham Lincoln signed sacred documents that paved the way for the Emancipation Proclamation? Surely you jest? Do you work for the Clinton Campaign, btw??? ha.

            Bill Clinton is the ONLY reason that Hillary Clinton is running for President. Had Hillary not married Bill she’d probably be chasing ambulances in Little Rock. So let’s be frank about it.

            Besides, Hillary castigated the sexual abuse victims that her predator husband assaulted, like Paula Jones. She defended her husband and threw the victims (to include Monica Lewinsky) under the bus. What a great role model for the women’s movement! ha.

            Bill Cliinton made his own bed. The Republicans didn’t make it for him. He cheated on his wife with a young impressionable intern in the Oval Office and then lied through his teeth about it on national TV. Oh, and he lied under sworn oath about it too! That’s the reason his law license was pulled. That wasn’t the Republican’s doing. It was BILL’s doing. Let’s stick to the facts, okay?

            I already told you that Trump is a pig in several ways. But the child rape allegations during election season are ridiculous. Until you mentioned it I’ve never heard of it. Are you sure it’s not a figment of your imagination?

            Hillary makes Trump look like Little Lord Fauntleroy.

            Would you want Beyonce as a role model for your daughters like Michelle Obama wants her as role model for her daughters??? ha. Have you ever watched Beyonce perform or one of her violent or suggestive videos? ha.

          • annomouse

            Hillary Clinton has had a brilliant career by any standard and is far more intelligent and qualified to be POTUS than the ignoramus Donald Trump.

            ” But the child rape allegations during election season are ridiculous.Until you mentioned it I’ve never heard of it. Are you sure it’s not a figment of your imagination?”

            You wish, LOL!

            “Defendant Trump initiated sexual contact with Plaintiff at four different parties. On the fourth and final sexual encounter with Defendant Trump, Defendant Trump tied Plaintiff to a bed, exposed himself to Plaintiff, and then proceeded to forcibly rape Plaintiff. During the course of this savage sexual attack, Plaintiff loudly pleaded with Defendant Trump to stop but with no effect. Defendant Trump responded to Plaintiff’s pleas by violently striking Plaintiff in the face with his open hand and screaming that he would do whatever he wanted.Immediately following this rape, Defendant Trump threatened Plaintiff that, were she ever to reveal any of the details of the sexual and physical abuse of her by Defendant Trump, Plaintiff and her family would be physically harmed if not killed.”



          • LFOldTimer

            It’s utterly amazing the accusations that arise during election season. All of them are silent for 10, 20 or 30 years. Then suddenly a month or two prior to the election Trump becomes a class one sexual offender! ha.

            Why no previous police reports on any of these allegations? If I were a woman who was groped or worse I would speed dial 911 and demand justice, whether today or in 1975. Why were they so silent right after the incidents occurred?

            Isn’t it strange how all the sexual assault victims come out of the woodwork a short time prior to the elections. ha.

            Yet we KNOW that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator. Proof exists. The stained blue dress. The $850,000 settlement.

            But don’t acknowledge that, annomouse. It might give you some credibility! ha.

          • annomouse

            None of those allegations about Bill Clinton are new, we know he had a consensual affair with Monica,. We know he settled with Paula Jones for $850,000 in which he acknowledged no wrongdoing and offered no apology.

            And yet, that’s Bill and NOT Hillary.

            Your guy Trump IS A RAPIST, by his ex-wife’s sworn deposition. If you find Bill Clinton’s behavior so abhorrent WHY would you support Trump who is no better and potentially much, much worse?
            Good god, at least Bill Clinton isn’t on tape spewing every vulgar, ugly thought that crossed his mind. Trump can’t even control his mouth, that’s why everyone believes the tales of him being physically out of control.

            He is nothing more than a dirty old man and every woman can sense it. He’s vile and repulsive!

          • LFOldTimer

            ‘Old or new’ has nothing to do with it. A man who denigrated the sanctity of the White House like Bill Clinton did should be banned from the White House permanently!

            Oh sure, annomouse. Bill Clinton would just pay Paula Jones $850,000 based on false accusations, wouldn’t he? This really undermines your credibility with me, annomouse. Why don’t you just acknowledge that Bill Clinton is a sexual predator?

            So during divorce proceedings of a man worth billions of dollars his ex-wife said nasty things about him? ha. Next time you’re in the courthouse stop into Divorce Court and listen to the stories, annomouse. Believe me, it’s more entertaining than watching Judge Judy. The accusations from both sides are amazing. I heard one woman accuse the man of having intimate relations with the family dog. Divorce court depositions are great to read over a glass of wine and a Robin William’s DVD playing in the background.

            Bill Clinton is not guilty of words (except for his blatant lies on national TV and on the witness stand). He is guilty of acts.

            Is Trump a potty mouth? Absolutely. Is Trump a pig in several ways? No doubt about it. Has Trump ever used the sacred Oval Office to seduce young impressionable interns and stained blue dresses? Nope. Has Trump forced himself sexually on young woman who he paid $850,000 after the fact as part of the punishment? Nope. Did Melania defend Trump’s locker room talk? Nope. Did Hillary enable and defend Bill Clinton’s sexual predator behaviors with multiple women and impugn those same women in the process??? Oh yeah. You bet she did.

            So let’s all look at the facts and be frank with one another. Okay, annomouse?

          • annomouse

            Again, you use hypocritical and faulty reasoning.

            Trump has yet to be in the Oval office but we have plenty of evidence of how he behaved where and when he did have power. Just take his ownership of beauty pageants. He bragged about walking in on naked women because he could and women have come forward saying he did so. That is a man who abused his power. Ivana gave a sworn deposition saying Trump raped her, yet you don’t believe her but you believe Jaunita Broderick who would not give a sworn deposition that Clinton raped her. How hypocritical is that?

            Furthermore, you keep throwing out accusations about Hillary “enabling and impugning” Bill’s accusers. What evidence is there of that?

  • annomouse

    More disturbing than Donald Trump are the people who support this bigoted, narcissistic, lying con man.

    Just take for instance the comments on this page, one person repeats easily provable lies and the other repeats unprovable allegations as if they were fact.

    The incredibly low bar these commenters have set for themselves in terms of verifying the things they believe with facts is sadly, too common. Until we have an electorate that can separate fact from fiction we will continue to have candidates as awful and appalling as Donald Trump.

    • BeeBee.BeeLeaves

      The choice is between Crazy and Criminal. Some choice.

      Mr. Bernie should have listened to that little birdy that landed on the podium and hung out for a while and silentlt told him to run third man independent. Especially when WikiLeaks exposed how the DNC conspired against him and more so now that we know what was said to all those Wall Streeters. Public face, private face, equals two faced. Bernie was loyal to a fault. Debbie Wasserman Schultz had go leave the building, if I recall. Knife in hand, I am sure

      Electorate? You mean electoral college which totally skews (screws) what We the total People want for our country? That farce? The true electorate does not chose their president, have we not learned this by now? The president is selected. They, the selectors, just were not expecting a wild hair up the US! Too funny.

      • annomouse

        You obviously don’t back up your beliefs with independent fact checking.

        Take Benghazi for instance, there have been seven investigations, 13 hearings, 50 briefings, and 25,000 pages of documents dealing with Benghazi, the last “investigation” took two years and cost over 7 million dollars. Do you honestly believe that these Republican witch hunts would have let Hillary off the hook if they had found anything?
        A quick google search turned up a two Pinocchio rating for your “600 requests” for security.

        I suggest you read the entire article. Furthermore, why do you right-wingers never acknowledge that the Republican Congress DENIED the Obama administrations funding level requests for embassy security in the years prior to Benghazi?

        And sorry, the DNC did not rig the election against Bernie Sanders, there is no proof that they took any actions against his campaign. You keep confusing unsubstantiated allegations with facts.

        “Again, on balance, this is all a bad look for the DNC. But it’s not vote tampering. The worst ideas seem to have been scotched. It’s always possible the real malfeasance was plotted offline. But nothing has been found in the leaked batch of emails that rises to the level of “rigging.” [Slate, 7/25/16]

        Each state votes and that vote is represented by the electoral college, it might not be a direct vote on the Presidential level but it is still representative of the electorate’s will.

        Your hysterics don’t change the fact that you prefer to traffic in and believe phony allegations and outright lies rather than take the time to research and thoughtfully assess factual information.

        • LFOldTimer

          BeeBee – you can’t have a sensible conversation with these people. You can’t even convince them with the evidence and the facts. They are like the Germans in 1941. Hitler was their savior. They are like the Jonestown kool-aide drinkers. Willfully blind. Total denial. Brainwashed or in Hillary terms – “bleached”.

          Hillary is their ‘savior’. Lemmings will be lemmings. Don’t ever think you could convince them to acknowledge the truth. You’re just deceiving yourself. If you want to play with them on the board to prove them wrong – that’s your choice. But don’t ever think you can make them see the light or acknowledge the truth. The truth is not their friend.

          Sensible people would admit that Trump is an Alpha Male who at times sticks his foot in his mouth and can tend to be a bully. We all agree with that.

          But Hillary has stepped over the line of the law while serving in an official capacity at the top of the government food chain. She is a criminal. An uncharged and unprosecuted one…but regardless…still a criminal.

          And these lemmings want to send her back to the White House. ha.

          This is the reason there is literally no hope for America. Too many lemmings and bait swallowers in the country today. Too many who are morally challenged. Too much ignorance from being dumbed down by the system.

          • annomouse

            ” An uncharged and unprosecuted one…but regardless…still a criminal.”

            Ah, so Hillary’s a “criminal” because you say she’s a “criminal”.You really don’t care about the Rule of Law or the Constitution do you? You’re really just hankering for a good old-fashioned dictatorship. No wonder you Trump supporters love Putin so much. Not getting your way, the solution is easy, just lock up your political enemies and anyone else who disagrees with you.

            That’s really scary. Trump supporters are really scary.

          • BeeBee.BeeLeaves

            Just because you get away with murder, because you have everyone on the take, does not mean the person you murdered is not dead. Damage done.

            Dictatorship? Everyone knows the House and Senate will have a Demigod majority if Trump is elected.

            That’s if. Because, again, Hillarious has been selected. Why are you trying so hard for her?Bilderberg Bunch O Billionaires have already done all this for you, since 07. Relax. Drink tea. Have a biscuit.

          • annomouse

            Sorry, unlike you I don’t wear a tinfoil hat and get my information through the fillings in my teeth.
            People like myself value facts and the law and just reality in general. Go figure.

          • BeeBee.BeeLeaves

            Ah, yes, the Tinman. Dontcha just love when he says, “Hearts will never be practical until they can be made unbreakable.”?

            Lots of Americans with broken hearts these days. When your government, both parties, betrays your trust and manipulates pretty much everything … facts, the law, reality … it’s very heartbreaking indeed.

          • LFOldTimer

            At least OJ was prosecuted.

            Queen Hillary is above the law of the land. An unprosecuted criminal and someone who egregiously violated national security laws and lied under sworn oath about it will possess highest clearance awarded by the Federal government.

            The system really sucks.

            No arrest, no prosecution when an ordinary person would go to Federal lockup for over 10 years is he or she committed equivalent acts.

            Seriously, what is real anymore?

          • BeeBee.BeeLeaves

            Nothing seems for real.

            Goodness. WikiLeaks has only released 5% of what they have, and I now fear for my/our constitutional republic, my/our inherent and unalienable rights and my/our democratic voting system.

            Today’s As the WikiLeaks Turns, turns my stomach.

            I need tea now.

          • annomouse

            Uh uh, looks like that serial criminal rapist (I’m going to use your low-bar for such allegations) Donald J Trump has opened up a can-o-worms.
            Not only has his ex-wife Ivana accused him in a sworn deposition of rape (not to mention assault, pulling out chunks of her hair) and the woman who was 13 years old when he raped her ( her case is finally going forward), but now women are coming out of the woodwork with tales of assault, groping and general perviness.
            And they’re all backed up by the pervert’s own words. Ha ha.

            What a hypocritical creep Donald J Trump is. He belongs in jail!

    • LFOldTimer

      annomouse – thank you for coming to the board and providing another opinion.

      Do you realize that if any other non-connected citizen with a security clearance did what Hillary did with her private server and classified documents he or she would have been prosecuted and facing over a decade in Federal prison?

      I’ve known people with clearances who had them revoked for a lifetime for something as minor as marrying a foreign national or getting caught with weed for personal use.

      Hillary put the nation at EXTREME security risk by doing what she did. To add fuel to the fire – she obstructed justice by bleaching over 33,000 emails on her home server AFTER she was served with a subpeona to produce the documents. Then, she lied under sworn oath to Congress. Remember what they did to the pro-baseball players Roger Clemons and Barry Bonds who were ACCUSED of lying under oath to Congress over steroid use? Yet nothing happened to Hillary.

      Is that the sort of country you want your children raised in, ammomouse? In a nation that gives immunity from criminal acts to those with high connections in government? Do you want third-world order in America? Do you really want to elect someone to the highest office in the land who participated in these egregious un-American acts (plus many, many more)?

      I’m just amazed at the blinders that the Hillary supporters have on. Where are all those former Occupy Wall Street activists who detested the crime on Wall Street? WALL STREET OWN HILLARY AND BILL!!! Wall Street has given the Clinton Foundation Fund and Hillary’s campaign TENS OF MILLION OF DOLLARS!!!

      Go ahead and dislike Trump if you wish. That’s your right as an American. But for God sakes. Take your blinders off and see Hillary for what she is!!! The evidence is OVERWHELMING!

      • annomouse

        Sorry Oldtimer but you’re flat out wrong, wrong on her e-mails, wrong on the Clinton foundation and wrong on your previous accusations.
        Unfortunately, I know that no amount of fact checking will change your mind, so I am not going to waste my time.
        You are the one with blinders on, you Hillary haters will believe anything and everything negative about her. The fact that she has been investigated over and over again by the Republicans who are in power, and they haven’t found anything to charge her with should be enough to convince you, but no, you continue on unabated with your fevered conspiracy theories.

        Do yourself a favor, at least look up the facts about the 12 year old rape victim and maybe, just maybe, a little reality will seep into your world. I’ll even provide the link:

        • BeeBee.BeeLeaves

          Lordy, Lordy annie mouse …

          Look, Hilarity will win because Bilderberg has already decided, long before today. SELECTION. Not election. Like they did Bill, like they did Bush, the O, and now her. No need to get all huffy puffy defending her being on the ticket. Both parties are in on this because they all have vested interest and investments with Wall Street and the banksters and they, in turn, need arms and cluster bombs to keep profiteering.

          All’s I know is flies keep landing on her and O in public and we both know what flies are attracted to. I believe the birdy that hung out with Bernie but he did not believe in himself, so that was a big fail.

          Again. Crazy? or Criminal? And again, the outcome has been decided. Unless The People really revolt but we all know many go on with business as usual on selection day.

          As for Snopes, founded by an Independent who loves cats and chickens. Alrighty then. Sold!

          • annomouse

            It’s hard to have a rational discussion with someone who believes in conspiracy theories, not to mention a bizarre and disjointed writing style.
            I do find it ironic that you are worried about moneyed and powerful interests having control over our elections and yet you seem to support Trump who supports the Citizens United Ruling that allows for those same interests to corrupt our elections with unlimited amounts of dark money.

          • BeeBee.BeeLeaves

            Who said I was supporting Trump? I said no such thing. You so crazy. You so funny.

            I can’t worry about monied interests because it’s not in my realm to change it, nor is it in yours.

            And speaking of Clinton Foundation, now, after Hurricane Matthew, would be a great time for the beloved Clinton family collective to ante up all the money they collected, with papa Bush’s help, and actually help the Haitians. The earthquake and hurricane Tomas were in 2010 and 6 years later many were still living in tent cities. Tents don’t do very well in hurricanes, I hear tell. Criminal.

          • annomouse

            “You so crazy.”

            That’s called … projection.

          • BeeBee.BeeLeaves

            Crazy over criminal. Be grateful for choices in life.

            And speaking of crazy, Joe Solorio is returning the campaign funds he used for his rent. See? Democrats can be crazy, too.

            Crazy that he used them in the first place?
            Or crazy that he is putting the money back?
            Or is that criminal in the first place?

            Sunlight. The best disinfectant.
            Gotta love California sunshine.

          • annomouse

            I guess you can’t defend any of your assertions with cogent argument so you’ve devolved into the nonsensical.
            Your “arguments” feature a lack of logic and factual research, mixed with conspiracy theories, hearsay and general nuttiness, what is your point?

          • BeeBee.BeeLeaves

            Fancy verbage. Defend. Arguments. Research. Theories. Heresay. Point.

            I thought the top of this section said Join the Discussion. I’m sorry. I was sure I was some place in a free America. I must have projected into another place. Is this Russia?

            Nuttiness. Bam.

          • annomouse

            Paranoid much? Have I denied you your right to comment?

            You are free to say any nutty thing you like and I am free to point out the nuttiness.

          • BeeBee.BeeLeaves

            Speaking of Citizens United … today, in As WikiLeaks Turns …

            Clinton lawyers Marc E. Elias and Jonathan S. Berkon literally hand Hillary’s team the template for how they can skirt campaign finance laws, and work to solicit donations on behalf of a SuperPac, something which is highly illegal under current law ..

            Done between Hillary for America aka HRA and Priorities USA Action Fund aka Priorities.


          • annomouse

            Yeah, except it looks like they stayed within the confines of the law.

            Game. Set. Match.

          • BeeBee.BeeLeaves

            Yah think? Let’s see what monies came in and where they were funneled and in time, who gets subpoenaed. More 5th Amendment protection? More no speaky English. This time from those two hot lawyers.

            Game ain’t over.

          • annomouse

            In your fevered dreams.

          • BeeBee.BeeLeaves

            Thanks for the discussion, Anonymous.
            Peace out.

        • LFOldTimer

          “Unfortunately, I know that no amount of fact checking will change your mind, so I am not going to waste my time.”

          IOW’s annomouse – you got nothin’.

          But thanks for playing. It was fun while it lasted.

          Btw, denial is a terrible thing. You need to get over it.

          • annomouse

            Hey, did you bother to fact check the lie you’ve been spewing about the 12 year old rape victim?
            My guess… you chose ignorance.

            “Denial”, LOL that’s rich considering the source.

          • BeeBee.BeeLeaves

            All’s I know is that 12 year old victim looks 30 years older than HC today. Dang. Very sad life, you can tell. I guess life is simply not fair.

          • BeeBee.BeeLeaves

            Denial. Not just a river in Egypt y’all.

  • LFOldTimer

    Come on. Bill Clinton was one of the biggest lechers and female abusers to ever live in the White House or walk the halls of the Nation’s Capital Building. Who’s fooling who here?

    And Hillary was one of the biggest female enablers of a female sexual abuser before, during and after she lived in the White House.

    Didn’t you hear Trump mention that when Hillary was a defense attorney she mocked and laughed at a 12 year old girl who was raped? In fact, that woman, Kathy Shelton, appeared at the debate last night along with the other 3 women who were sexually abused by Bill Clinton. Imagine the psychological damage sustained by that young girl. Is a woman who laughed at a 12 year old female abuse victim fit for the highest office in the land? You tell me.

    Oh, and Monica Lewinsky didn’t show up. And we know the rest of the story when it comes to her, blue dress and lies and all, don’t we??? And Hillary trash-talked her and defended her husband, the abuser.

    So let’s be fair and tell both sides to the story for full disclosure. Otherwise this election is nothing more than a charade and a farce. Stop showing favoritism to the home team. Fairness, full-disclosure and the truth should rule, like we were taught by our parents.

    • BeeBee.BeeLeaves

      And Huma? with Weiner dog?
      Pot.Kettle. Meet black.

      Enabling actions is no better than a running mouth.
      Hillarity called little disabled kids “retards”. Her secret service people say her mouth is radically mean.

      When I worked at a television network my delicate ears heard talk like that always, every day. By men. But more so by women producers, writers, directors. Whom I respected for their talents, not their potty mouths.

      Ten years ago? Hmmmmm, did I say something evil, cruel, nasty. Probably. Et vous?

      Moving on. Next.

      • LFOldTimer

        Yeah, you’re right. I just love all the self-righteous moral sanctimonious hypocrites that you described who look through life with the personal filter on high. And they’re so shallow and daft they expect us to take them seriously. That’s the funniest part.

        Cleveland, Harding, Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, H.W. Bush and Clinton make Trump look like a Sunday school choir boy.

        I’ve been in lots of locker rooms in my day. It’s amazing how a locker room can change the personality of a Christian.

        And I’ve spoken to enough women to know what goes on in the women’s locker room too. From what I’ve heard the talk is no better than what goes on down the hall with the men.

        • BeeBee.BeeLeaves

          Well I have no in the locker room experience, but before tv I was executive assistant to a football team president and front office mouths, in the office, golf course, press box, sports clinic, political fundraising dinners, both parties … we’re just as cray cray potty back then.

          It’s more about Do.No.Harm than talking sheet (sic) in my book.

          • LFOldTimer

            I agree. Talk is cheap.

            Flight logs show that in 2002 Bill Clinton took a junket trip to Asia on board his buddy Jeffrey Epstein’s personal aircraft “Lolita Express” while leaving his Secret Service detail at home. Flight logs apparently show that Bill was on board Epstein’s plane more than 20 times. This was post-Monica. You can google Epstein to see why he was sentenced in 2007 by the Feds to 30 months in prison. I wonder if there was any locker room talk aboard those flights? Watcha think? 🙂

          • BeeBee.BeeLeaves

            I think ewwwwwwwwwwww.
            He did not look well last night at all. All skinny frail.

          • LFOldTimer

            Bill’s Alpha Male days are over.

            Eastwood told us back in the 70’s that a man’s gotta know his limitations.

            Some of the best advice to ever come out of Hollywood.

            If Bill has any conscience at all it must be eating up his soul.

            Nobody really knows where we go after our time’s up here on earth.

            But it must be in the back of Bill’s mind in his quiet moments.

            I wouldn’t want to be him.

          • BeeBee.BeeLeaves

            Humble pie when you die.

            He’s suppose to be the illegitimate son of Winthrop Rockefeller, hence his fancy schooling. Mama dun’t did that, no how. And perhaps that’s why he has this enormous sense of entitlement and I can do whatever I want, to whomever, and get away with murder attitude.

            That Bilderberg Bunch promised the presidency to Hillary in 2007, same time they decided O first, then her, hence her “what difference does it make?” attitude.

            All that we have seen done in 8 years that makes no sense is simply globalist bankster socio and economic manipulations. Both parties are in on this, Then, haha, comes the crazy guy with oompa loompa skin tone (not so much any more, but at first 1965 Coppertone skin) and Flock of Seagulls hair that has freaked them out and not made the giving as easy as planned. Remember Mitt?

            Such a good show, when the plot does a turn, every hour. Jolly good entertainment. If you like Jerry Springer or Maury Povich stuff.

            God, y’all better bless America.

            And Karma, it will be your turn soon enough, so just hold your horses.

          • LFOldTimer

            I like you, BeeBee. It isn’t often that we get sophisticated commenters on the discussion boards who understand the big picture. Most people are only interested in a tree or two (for personal reasons) and fail to understand how the forest works. That’s to your credit. Thank you for being an aware and educated citizen. If we had more like you perhaps we, as a nation, wouldn’t find ourselves in deep %#%$.

            Most people don’t understand how deep it is or the fact that it’s going to hit the fan in the not too distant future. If they did, we’d have pandemonium in the streets. Trust me. Any one with firing synapses should recognize the bricks that are falling all around us. When enough bricks come loose and fall the entire house must eventually collapse. When? Nobody knows exactly when. Those who don’t have their heads in the sand know it’s on the way.

            Sort of like the San Andreas fault. Nobody knows when. Everybody knows what’s coming eventually.

            Stay informed!