• frustrated

    “Your God made it grow because it is not evil, man is the one that made it evil. It’s a naturally grown weed. I do not understand the obsession with it when money can be made off of it but there are jerks such as cops that think that it’s bad because the weed cures illnesses and they are manufacturing it too.

  • verifiedsane

    The Santa Ana mayor and city council are running a racket…aside from the arguments for and against legal consumption of cannabis….California voters have approved the use of cannabis for recreational purposes. The issue being reported here really comes down being about the money, licensing fees, and pay to play city ran bidding system. This is another case of not seeing the burning forest through the trees…another system designed and ripe for continued entrenched political corruption. As it has been said; follow the money, not the drifting pot smoke.

  • nobackseats

    You may think I am thrilled to see my home city of Santa Ana become the pot capital of Orange County. But I have to to say that this is such a glaring example of hypocrisy in city leadership when the same councilmembers who want to get rid of the much needed needle exchange program are so swift to jump on the millions of dollars a year marijuana industry. Money always talks. Look, I am not anti-pot. I give my dog pot. It has extended his life. I occasionally (and I mean very occasionally) have some myself. (Not sure if it has extended my life yet…). What I have been against, however, is the criminalization of pot and I continue to be against the criminalization of people with drug addiction. Does it not strike you as odd and perhaps blatantly wrong that city councilmembers who disparage the needle exchange program and the homeless population, deny adequate support for drug users (which included pot smokers as long as it was convenient), fight to put taco trucks out of business, fail to invest in youth programming, and disproportionately fund the police are so willing to make Santa Ana, 420 Central OC?

    A year ago they would have been talking about how we needed more police to deal with the illegal marijuana and now that it is legal, they will get the police to provide security.

    And with 30 pot shops in one city, they are going to have an even bigger mess on their hands with the thrown away candy wrappers, pringles containers and fast-food wrappers all over the place.

    My serious pot-smoking friends will not like this but they cannot tell me that our city leaders are acting like greedy, heartless, opportunistic hypocrites.

    Maybe they can use some of the marijuana sales revenue to provide some actual support for the needle exchange program, and help those who really need it. Maybe they can use 100% of any revenue to help drug addicts, the homeless, and for youth prevention services. Maybe those who are lining their pockets with payouts will not get re-elected. One can only hope.

  • frustrated

    “Women who accuse powerful men of wrongdoing have rarely been viewed sympathetically. Instead, we are troublemakers, creating problems for well-meaning and admirable men, forcing HR to step in, creating a public relations problem”.

  • frustrated

    They are firing people because of their relationships to other people.

  • frustrated

    “Marijuana is not a crime, it was made up by somebody to make it a crime”. So the cities could make a profit off of it. It’s a naturally grown weed that they used to make rope and clothing out of.

    • kburgoyne

      To be fair, a “weed” is only something a person doesn’t want growing there. f one wants a garden full of dandelions, then one doesn’t actually view the dandelion as weed.

  • frustrated

    Inquiry: Do we have to be judged by our relationships to other people when the cops won’t leave us alone because they think that they are our authority figures and can tell us how to live when thye don’t live the ways that they do.

  • kburgoyne

    Being somebody who doesn’t drink or smoke (tobacco or marijuana) simply out of my own personal preferences, I’ve only been able to find a couple “concerns” but no strong argument against marijuana being as legal as alcohol and tobacco. I’ve been an advocate of legalizing marijuana on the basis that alcohol and tobacco are legal.

    My first somewhat legitimate concern is the lack of a good way to test for DUI of marijuana. So nothing against marijuana itself. Just concern over not being able to objectively regulate the abuse of it. Same concern would exist in regard to alcohol if there was the same problem with objectively testing for DUI of alcohol.

    My second is a milder concern over the selling of edibles that are too easily confused with non-marijuana edibles. When it comes to smoking, or I assume even vaping marijuana, the “delivery mechanism” is reasonably unique enough to distinguish it from any other everyday activity. A marijuana brownie looks like any other brownie and eating brownies are completely normal activities for kids. Grabbing a cigarette or vaping is not a completely normal activity for kids. Plus the ease of simply buying a marijuana edible such as a brownie greatly lowers the barrier for people who have an impulse to perform a joke on somebody — an impulse that perhaps wouldn’t last long enough should the person have to bake their own marijuana brownies instead of just popping into a kind of “marijuana donut store”.

    Basically I don’t see eliminating the sale of marijuana edibles as being some kind of unfair restriction. Smoking and vaping is fine (not in public gathering places). I can see people inventing the argument that some people use marijuana for medical purposes (which departs from a debate over recreational) and some of those people perhaps can’t/shouldn’t smoke or vape. Fine. Every other “medicine” is delivered in a non-food package. Like other medicines, marijuana could easily be delivered to the extremely limited number of such people using a mechanism other than normal everyday edibles.

    • frustrated

      Coffee is a drug so why are we also not be arrested for drinking coffee just like the cops do with their donuts when they’re criminals while on duty.

      • kburgoyne

        True enough. It would only be that alcohol and tobacco are more readily viewed as “substances of concern” by most people, and thus as more useful in making the point.

  • David Zenger

    Commenters here have pointed out a lot of sad truths about SA, but at least they are adhering to the intent of the voters on this issue.

    BTW, Voice, nice pejorative image to go with the story. Oooo. Scary.

    • kburgoyne

      Sort of fair enough regarding the final result, but I don’t think it was intentional. I think night just happened to be when somebody had the time to snap a picture. It’s not like VoOC has a lot of spare resources. Totally guessing, but it wouldn’t surprise me if Nick did a quick stop on the way home from a city council meeting or something.

      • David Zenger

        I don’t want to appear too preachy, but there are already enough mj fear mongering politicians around. The media doesn’t need to add to the problem by showing what can be interpreted as a biased image – even if it wasn’t meant that way. That picture would look nice on a political hit piece put out by one of hour “honorable” drug warriors.

        Anyway, it’s been replaced now with a daylight image, so it’s all good.