• Jacki Livingston

    The fact is, Disney owns Anaheim, right down to the council members’ knickers. This is garbage. Disney insults the residents with one hand, by pricing themselves out of the reach of middle class families, but they want those same overtaxed residents to support them as they build yet another lousy, dirty, substandard dump. They buy off the politicians, so they get the votes to get rid of private homes for visitors to use, and now to get freebies paid by taxpayers they openly despise. Recall!

  • kburgoyne

    In the world of business I’m finding it pretty far fetched to envision two businesses getting together, one saying “you fork over $200M”, and the other immediately rolling over and saying “sure, why not.” Why in these giveaway do we never hear something at least like “they asked for $200M, we counter-offered with $100M.”

  • kburgoyne

    Hey, just so long as the tennis courts get their funding.

  • Angel Perea

    MORE INCONVENIENT TRUTH: So “Councilwoman Lucille Kring added that hotel developers would take their money elsewhere without tax incentives.” Really? The hotel developers will take their money investment away from Disneyland magnetic area? Really? Such BS non-sense! This City Council insults the intelligence of the tax payers. Maybe an investigation of Qui pro quid deal is the mix? Hum.

    • kburgoyne

      Plus they never seem concerned over negotiating how much is enough to stop them from going anywhere else (assuming they even would).

      I actually have no desired to attack Disney(land). They’re a huge local business that employes a lot of local people, brings in a lot of tourist dollars, and offers the population a service which clearly their attendance numbers show is in high demand.

      As a business they’re simply coming to the city to see what they can get. Frankly, that’s just good business. The problem is on the city’s side and the council lacking responsible business sense. Where is there even a resemblance of negotiating? It’s the city council that’s completely and totally failing to engage in good business.

      Imagine Disney going to a large contractor to say “well might give you the contract to build the hotel if you slash your bid by $2M.” No responsible business is going to respond with “sure, why didn’t we just think of doing that right up front?”. The business is going to respond with “what if we make it $1M” or something along those lines, or let’s look at other adjustments to the arrangements.

      • Philmore

        Remember the Angels Lease Fiasco ? “Everything the Team Owner Wanted” was presented BY THE CITY (‘s hired “consultant” – NOT by the Team Owner !) as a STARTING POINT ! STARTING with Total Capitulation eludes me as a negotiation tactic, but CERTAINLY fits the template for the perfect mix of Corruption and Incompetence.

    • Angel Perea

      KEEPING IT THOUGHTFULLY HONEST: To avoid the expense of a future need of a Recall election, maybe it is time to now elect new members to represent your taxpayer interests on the City Council. Send a message that of NO MORE FREE STUFF!

    • Philmore

      Perhaps you missed the chart-topping “Lucille’s Greatest Hits !” ? Here’s another cut.-
      We HAVE to build these hotels, because we are losing ALL the business from Sports Players who come here, but lodge elsewhere (Orange Coast, LA, etc.) to escape the ‘Disney Kids crowd’ in an ‘adult’ atmosphere.
      Well, how, pray tell, would that SOLVE the ‘problem’ and not ADD TO IT, since Disney’s ADMISSION HIKES have not dampened the OVER CAPACITY crowds of the 1% seeking fun for their kids ? (Though done WELL for the cash registers !) Restaurants tried ‘adults only’ zones a while back for quiet, and got SUED for DISCRIMINATION, so neither CURRENT nor FUTURE hotels NEAR THE PARK can AVOID filling with “Disney Kids’ BECAUSE Disney is HERE, and seeking to avoid them cannot HELP but drive those guests ELSEWHERE. ALSO, NOWHERE did Kring (or anyone else) attempt to QUANTIFY that loss to see if it would support even a FRACTION of a hotel’s business. HAH ! Numbers ! — WHO NEEDS ‘EM ?? NOT the Council Majority !

  • Angel Perea

    THE INCONVENIENT TRUTH: A formal motion maybe required by this Council to rename: The City of Disney at Anaheim! Hum..

  • Kathleen Heard

    I knew this was going to happen but it still hurts. It makes me so angry to think of the public funds just given away and the community goes without. This council will forever be known as the council that destroyed Anaheim at the request of a corporation that could not see beyond its own greed.

  • David Zenger

    “‘Anaheim competes for investment. That is why we have not seen a four-star built here in fifteen years,’ said Kring.”

    No, we have not seen a four star hotel built in 15 years because nobody wanted to build one – until they were offered a massive government subsidy offered them to remove the risk that is supposed to make capitalism work.

    And a PLA? Driving up the cost of the project because the taxpayers are financing the hotels and you wanted union support for the heist. Really?

    You and Murray should just change your party affiliation so you can openly cheer the PLA, along with Brandman and the Democrats.

    • RyanCantor

      Hmmmm. Did anything happen about 15 years ago that kinda sorta devastated tourism?

      9-11? Oh. Right.

      THAT’s why there hasn’t been a new 4 star hotel. 9-11 and a freaking global recession. Duh.

  • Cynthia Ward

    When did Obama get subpoena power?

    • Philmore

      My guess is in an Executive Order to himself.

  • Cynthia Ward

    Disney learned long ago that it is cheaper to buy a Council than pay for their own projects. The return on THEIR investment is substantially higher than return on OURS. Anaheim put in half again more than Disney in their last expansion. Disney spent $1BB on the 1996 agreement. Taxpayers will fund $1 1/2 BB until 2037. Right in our own budget docs it says 100% of TOT sales and property tax on Disney property goes to pay the bonds. That is in place for the life of the bonds unless Finance Director Debbie Moreno wants to show where in the agreement it says otherwise But Moreno ain’t talking and neither is the Council majority. Disney now has the right to demand 70% of money we don’t keep, so that 70% will come from the GENERAL FUND. But Please, Jill Kanzler, tell me how frustrated you get at people telling the truth, I don’t see you advocating for Newport to give away money needed to keep your precious island from flooding but it is OK for them to not fix my sidewalks? So that you can get a bonus? How about SOAR’s uber shill, claiming his expertise as the former Chair of the Budget commish who fails basic math 101 because he doesn’t know where our money GOES. Lucille, you were right about ONE THING. You can’t give away what you don’t have. Oops, looks like you CAN.

    • David Zenger

      “You can’t give away what you don’t have.”

      The biggest lie of the bunch, but basic PR spin. Why didn’t Kringle say: you can’t encumber revenue you don’t have, yet. Then everybody who’s ever bought any thing on credit would know what a shameless liar she is.

      • RyanCantor

        Well, that’s what happens when folks without a cornflake of economic competency get elected.

        This isn’t giving away what Anaheim doesn’t have– but of course you can give away what you don’t have. Nicely stated, Dave.

    • cynthia curran

      La does the same thing with tax breaks for hotels. Disneyland’s taxes are exaggerated they get prop 13 and instead of hiring 29,000 its more like 10,000 full time year around. They hire a lot of folks seasonal that make money as a 2nd job. Disneyland has a lot of challenges in 10 years. Arizona, Texas and New Mexico are going to fly people to space for lots of money in the next 10 years which makes Disneyland looked dated. Tuscon has world enterprises that is going to fly people in a balloon to the edge of space. Not everyone can afford if but thousands will probably go to Tucson Arizona to see it or use a certain device to view the folks in space. I told the politicians in Anaheim about virtual reality which could make any state or city have a tourist industry or space tourism and so forth coming in the next decade that could really hit into Disneyland’s profits.

  • RyanCantor

    I’m going to be blunt.

    Anaheim just failed a very basic intelligence test.

    Giving away $560,000,000 for absolutely no reason is by definition stupid.

    This wasn’t an incentive, it was a giveaway. Disney and Friends paid to put three people in office, who turned around and gave them public money.

    Why? Because they can.

    The real question is who will still care in November. Lucille Kring and Jordan Brandman think Anaheim is so stupid that most voters will either believe their completely unsubstantiated tripe or forget about a half billion dollars being given away.

    I bet they’re right. They’re going to finance their reelection with dollars from construction unions and Disney’s surrogates while mostly brown kids will be playing soccer on dirt fields in the flatlands of Anaheim . . . And who will care? Five months from now they’ll spend $150,000 a piece of the same people’s money who just raked Anaheim taxpayers over the coals, right in front of everyone’s faces.

    Seriously. Who is going to care?

    • David Zenger

      No one ever gives a lot of thought to the idea that public money is handed over to people like the Disney who just recycle some of it back at election time. The beneficiaries of the grift don’t even have to spend their own dough on electing puppets. They do it with our money.

  • David Zenger

    I often wonder how people like Kris Murray and Jordan Brandman can look at themselves in the mirror. Then I remember that the face looking back at them is Curt Pringle.

    • Kathleen Heard

      You are absolutely right.