A Glimpse at High Speed Rail in OC

Adam Elmahrek/Voice of OC

The new Anaheim train station, known as ARTIC, lit up at night.

Orange County has gotten its first glimpse of a controversial new, 30-mile railroad train planned between Los Angeles and Anaheim.

Not everyone was impressed.

“We don’t need a third, 90-mile-an-hour train going through Orange County,” said Buena Park City Councilman Art Brown at an open house meeting in Buena Park last Wednesday.

The new rail line is the southernmost leg of the proposed California High Speed Rail Authority’s Anaheim-to-San Francisco bullet train approved by voters in 2008.

However, in urban areas like Orange and Los Angeles Counties as well as around San Francisco, it only will travel at about 90 miles an hour, roughly the same speed as Metrolink or Amtrak, not the 200 miles an hour of a bullet train.

Brown is a former member of the Orange County Transportation Authority board of directors as well as the Amtrak, Metrolink and LOSSAN (Los Angeles, San Diego and San Luis Obispo Rail Corridor) boards.

He told Rail Authority officials he supports high-speed rail and thinks it’s a good idea, but believes the train running from the L.A. border to Anaheim is unnecessary because it won’t be going any faster than existing trains.

The train, which has met strong opposition in the past from county elected officials, doesn’t go beyond Anaheim in Orange County. A secondary plan would take it to San Diego, but through Riverside County.

When completed, it will carry passengers from Los Angeles to San Francisco in two hours and 40 minutes.

Officials say the train, which is set to open in 2029, will cater to a future California with more people and cars, and make it easier for people to work and go to school further from home.

“This will shrink the size of the state,” said Michelle Boehm, the southern California regional director for the Rail Authority.

Because it’s not a commuter line, originally it only had one stop planned between Los Angeles and Anaheim, and that was in Norwalk.

But tentative stops now add Fullerton so Metrolink passengers from Riverside can connect to it.

Planning for the LA to OC line still is preliminary and many details — such as the final route the rails will take, changes to existing train stations and road closures – won’t be available until after the agency finishes its environmental review process next year.

But Boehm says the massive project will be worth it.

“It’s happening,” Boehm said. “It feels glacial at times, but we do have construction going on.”

The project has started construction in the Central Valley, where, in sections, the train will run at its full speed of 200 miles an hour.

Local Opposition

The high speed rail project has not been politically popular in Orange County and, with the exception of former Anaheim Mayor Curt Pringle and the City Council, has drawn opposition from many local elected leaders.

In 2010, Brown and other Buena Park leaders balked at plans to either demolish 40 new townhomes or the city’s $14 million Metrolink station, which was completed in 2007, to make room for the electric tracks required for high speed rail.

That’s still a possibility, although project manager Melissa De La Pena said at another open house in Anaheim on Thursday that avoiding homes and keeping the station in place “can be done” with special planning.

If the station is ultimately demolished and rebuilt, the High Speed Rail Authority would pay for it, she said.

In Fullerton, rather than adding a new platform that would widen the existing Metrolink station, officials say they are looking to extend the length of the platform to make room for the high speed rail train to stop.

Boehm, answering questions from the audience at the Anaheim meeting, said the Rail Authority doesn’t intend to disrupt Metrolink or Amtrak services during construction.

Road Improvements

Although the new train will travel most of the existing railway currently used by other trains, the Rail Authority will pay for a number of road improvements along the route.

Most of the 30-mile route between LA and Orange County will be at-grade, meaning trains will run at street level and have to stop traffic to cross roads.

In several areas, however, the Rail Authority will build new infrastructure, called grade separations, to separate trains from other types of traffic.

Areas where there are new grade separations, shown in the graphic below, will experience the most construction disruptions. But once completed, they will improve safety and traffic congestion, said Ali Mir, an environmental consultant to the project.

Although the official route is not final, the Rail Authority likely will build a tunnel so the train can pass below ground near the Fullerton Airport and a bridge above State College Boulevard.

Trains also will pass under the 57 freeway before stopping at the Anaheim Regional Transportation Intermodal Center (ARTIC), Anaheim’s transit hub and the state’s first high speed rail station, said De La Pena. ARTIC was built to handle high-speed rail.


At the community meetings, officials received several questions about how the High Speed Rail system will be funded once it’s up and running.

At the April 6 open house at ARTIC, Boehm said it will run “like a business” and pay for itself through ticket fares and other revenues. The Rail Authority also claims in its 2016 Business Plan the revenue generated could help “unlock private dollars to continue sequencing the rest of the system.”

Responding to a question about how President Donald J. Trump’s proposed budget, and his threat to take away federal funding from sanctuary states, might affect the project, Boehm said it wouldn’t.

The project currently is relying on post-recession stimulus funds awarded by the Obama administration that must be spent by June 2017, and state cap and trade funds to finance the next phase of the project, Boehm said.

“We do have several years of work we can do without funds, up to five years for sure and possibly longer,” Boehm said.

Funds for aspects of the rail system, however, are already in jeopardy.

In January, Congressional Republicans from California called on the Department of Transportation to hold up funding for the high speed rail project until an audit is conducted of the controversial project.

Then in February, the department notified the state it would defer a $650 million grant that would have paid for a 50-mile electrical power system that both the Caltrain commuter rail system and the future high-speed rail system would share from San Jose to San Francisco.

It’s unclear still whether that grant will be canceled entirely or just delayed.

Contact Thy Vo at tvo@voiceofoc.org or follow her on Twitter @thyanhvo.

  • “At almost $70 billion dollars, construction of a high speed rail system from San Francisco to Los Angeles and Anaheim is certainly an expensive project. But it will cost a fraction of what the state would have to spend to achieve the same level of mobility for a population expected to reach 50 million people by the year 2030. To move an equivalent number of people would cost $170 billion in new freeways and airport runway expansions in the Bay Area and Los Angeles, assuming those projects would have both the necessary public support and environmental clearance. And while others have said we should wait for newer technology, high speed rail is a safe, reliable and cost effective system of transportation, proven around the world.” –San Francisco Examiner

    • David Zenger

      That’s ridiculous. HSR could only move an itty bitty fraction of California’s population. More people drive on the interstate 5 in OC in single a day than would take HSR in a year.

      • Another transportation “expert” speaks … LOL

        • David Zenger

          Yes, anybody can make up statistics and the more “expert” you are, the more likely you are to make up statistics to get money in your pocket.

          You caught on. And I had thought you were one of the slow ones, LOL.

          • I’ll take government statistics every-time over the opinion of right-wing preachers and Fox News indoctrinated fools.

          • verifiedsane

            Diaper boy above gets all their false statistical data from Dumocratic propaganda central, CNN, and MSNBC…. 🙂

    • LFOldTimer

      Answer a question for me, Burn.

      Why would someone spend $200-250 for a one-way fare on HSR from L.A. to San Francisco when a one-way airfare only runs $107?

      Yes, a HSR ticket would be that expensive.

      And HSR would have to make stops between departure and destination to pick up more passengers.

      The one-hour flight would beat the train ride by at least (minimum) 3 hours.

      Who in their right mind would take that HSR deal unless they had lots of time and money to BURN, Burn?

      Please respond. I haven’t heard a satisfactory answer yet. But maybe you could offer one.

      • Turn off Fox Fake News and clear your head. A one way ticket from from L.A. to San Francisco is expected to cost $105.

        • LFOldTimer

          What fairy tale book did you pull that one out of??? HA!

          If you believe a one-way ticket on HSR from LA to SF will cost $105 I have ocean front property in Arizona that I’ll sell you real cheap.

          • If you believe what you hear on the sexual predator network, Fox Fake News, I’ll sell you some farmland in the Everglades.

          • LFOldTimer

            You and Dan have a lot in common.

            Get a room.

  • Cynthia Ward

    Stupid question of the month club, but hoping a transit fan can tell me abut this? What is the combo of letters and numbers on the ARTIC signage in this image? Oddly enough it looks like a bond CUSIP….

    • David Zenger

      I noticed that, too. It looks like a password.

    • Greg Diamond

      Cynthia (and I’m replying to this just to get your attention here):

      Thy Vo writes: “ARTIC was built to handle high-speed rail.”

      I’m sure that that is what she was told. But do I correctly recall that, while it was SUPPOSED to be designed to do so, it actually doesn’t? I seem to recall your telling me a time or two about how it’s either not high enough, long enough, etc. — and I think that this explains your reference elsewhere about it “stopping short” of the station. Presumably, this is info that Thy should have to correct the article, if doing so is necessary.

      I don’t want to slight Anaheim, nor to be a North OC chauvinist, but honestly: if it’s going to happen, just have it stop at Fullerton and spend other money on getting people from Fullerton to Anaheim and beyond. Having HSR go to and beyond Riverside/Corona and then take the 215 down to San Diego would make sense too. Cars already go 90 mph on that route.

      • David Zenger

        ARTIC wasn’t “designed” to do anything except be a physical obstacle to those trying to get to the tracks. YOU HAVE TO CLIMB 76 STEPS, LEAVE THE BUILDING, THEN TAKE AN ELEVATOR TO GET TO THE TRAINS.

        It isn’t a train station at all. It’s a tacky, glow in the dark armadillo, built as a monument to grand government kleptomania.

        • Greg Diamond

          To be fair, I believe that they do have an elevator. Although, if they had forgot to include one, would it be entirely surprising?

      • Kevin Hogan

        ARTIC was *not* designed to handle high-speed rail, which makes claims from ARTIC boosters that it was built “for the future” particularly galling. (Unless you consider the future to be Megabus.) The plan, when and if HSR comes to Anaheim, is to build a separate terminal in what is currently ARTIC’s long-term parking lot. (“Details of the size, cost and scope of the new terminal are being studied”, according to the Reg in 2016.)

        • Greg Diamond

          Mother of mercy — ARTIC is just supposed to be the APPETIZER?

          Thanks, Kevin. Uh, has this ever been mentioned in a City Council meeting? Or did Kris Murray want it to be a surprise?

  • verifiedsane

    Another of Gov. Moonbeam’s special interest cash cows that just keeps on taking……

    • Republican Gov. Arnold S. supported high speed rail.

      • verifiedsane

        Oh come on….this has been Moonbeam’s special interest baby boondoggle for more than a decade….And I’m no fan of Arnold Schwarzenegger….The governator was up to his eyeballs in dirty special interest money….Just goes to show everyone, that both parties in california are so rot in corruption and self interest that it’s very difficult to tell the criminal difference between the two….

        • The Republican Party was a much more rational party until the Teabillies came along. Now they deny all kinds of facts including climate change, while endorsing tin-foil hat conspiracy theories, including birtherism.

          • verifiedsane

            I got where you’re coming from; another partisan Dumocratic idiot that can’t think for themselves while spewing the same old fake news and genitalia hat wearing lunacy…no further banter is necessary 🙂

          • Turn off the Fox Fake News and clear your head.

          • verifiedsane

            Is that the best you got, and have to offer up in retort….just more feeble-minded idiocy from Diaper boy…

  • LFOldTimer

    I knew it was a con years ago.

    Let me repeat: The HSR Train to Nowhere is nothing more than a HUGE windfall for all those corporations that will have a hand in building and operating it. It will open up a new avenue of bribes for the politicians who are pushing it. Massive quid-pro-quo.

    Again, it will be much cheaper to buy an airline ticket from John Wayne Airport or LAX to San Francisco. A HSR ticket would probably cost you 3x’s more. And an airplane would get you to San Francisco 3 hours or more quicker than the stupid train. DO THE MATH!!!

    Hence, there will be LOTS of empty seats on so-called bullet train.

    What good is a 200mph train traveling through high-density urban areas? lol. HSR won’t be able to go any faster than AMTRAC between OC and LA.

    This is pure horse sense. Do you ever wonder why the Main Stream Media and the politicians refuse to bring it up in public?

    Bend over. Jerry is coming to town!!! lol.

    • Republican Governor Arnold the Terminator supported HSR.

      • David Zenger

        Yes, and that should have been the official kiss of death.

      • LFOldTimer

        You mean RINO Ahnuld? He might as well have been a Democrat. Remember when he commuted the sentence of Esteban Nunez (a convicted murderer) in half, who happened to be the son of the California Democrat Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez? lol.

        You think a real Republican governor would have done that as he was termed out and walking out the door? ha.

        So trying to pass Ahnuld off as a Republican is laughable. Ahnuld was nothing more than a dyed in the wool liberal Democrat dressed in Republican clothing. And that was proven several times over.

        • The Republican Party was a much more rational party until the Teabillies
          came along. Now they deny all kinds of facts including climate change,
          while endorsing tin-foil hat conspiracy theories, including birther-ism.

          • LFOldTimer

            The dummycrats are fixated on the big conspiracy of Putin and Trump to bring down western civilization. HA.

            In the meantime we are on the brink of war with Russia over Syria.

            Dummycrats are living proof that God fell asleep on the human assembly line when the brains were distributed.

          • “the brink of war”? … LOL

          • LFOldTimer

            Putin told Trump that if he attempts regime change in Syria it would be met with military force.

            Does that sound like a love affair to you, Einstein??? lol.

  • Thomas R. Cagley

    At the same time the state/localities are planning to spend millions on a train that now has at least four stops in 30 miles and will go no faster than the existing rail lines, it is preparing to enact a law that will increase everyone’s taxes for gas and car registration fees. I know it is a radical idea, but why not spend this money where it is needed? As to the thought that funding for this will not be affected, I think they are whistling past the graveyard. Unless those 2008 (by the way, Obama was not president in 2008) are in the bank, they can still be withheld, as it is a grant!

    • David Zenger

      This is the longest of long cons. Common sense is a very radical idea in California.

      Yes, ARRA was passed in 2009. Obamabucks.

      • The biggest con ever perpetuated was the $2 Trillion Bush/Cheney war con in Iraq, using the pretext of WMD’s. For the money we blew off on nation-building in Iraq, we could have had high speed rail all across the United States.

        • David Zenger

          No argument about Iraq. However I guess miss your point. The Iraq disaster doesn’t make CHSR any less of a boondoggle, or that it is being funded by our national debt.

        • verifiedsane

          You’re so blinded in ignorance by partisan Dumocratic tunnel vision; you couldn’t see a democratic rat if it was clawing up your panties in a bunch, and biting you repeatedly were it hurts….

          • Turn off the Fox Fake News and sexual predator talking-head Bill O’Reilly and get a clue.

          • verifiedsane

            I can see you’re still watching the Clinton News Network (CNN)…….When are the Russians invading exactly?

            It’s appears that “justanon” aka Diaper Boy has a new screen name…. 🙂

  • David Zenger

    And the scam drags on.

    Good for Art Brown, though.

    • RyanCantor

      Look at all those grade sep projects between Fullerton and Anaheim.

      All to give the Rainbow Armadillo a sense of purpose, 25 years after it was constructed.

      Does that make it a Retro Rainbow Armadillo?

      • David Zenger

        “Look at all those grade sep projects between Fullerton and Anaheim.”

        At what, $30,000,000 per separation? That’s another $200,000,000 right there, not counting the inevitable eminent domain takings. This is insane, Just like it was seven years ago when the kleptos rolled it out.

        • Cynthia Ward

          Brian Chuchua and I attended the last HSR meeting at ARTIC where the irony had comic timing to it. As the HSR head cheerleader/project pusher gleefully squealed at conducting her first ever meeting in the very first HSR station ever built (guess she didn’t get the memo about it stopping short) we watched a cluster of tourists behind her in the station MISS THEIR TRAIN because they were IN the station when the train was announced and could not figure out how to get up and over the tracks to the platform! It would have been funny if not for being sad, these visitors were trying to access So Cal under the “no car needed” promise of transit wonks, and sad because WE paid big to inconvenience these poor saps trying to add fuel to our economic engine as we destroyed their travel schedule with our bad planning. HSR will tell you it’s different planners but they all swim in the same pool, and the info used for ARTIC was interlinked with HSR and ARC streetcar, NONE of it reliable, as the entire premise of the Anaheim segment of HSR was to score public funding to build Resort infrastructure Disney owes from a 1996 agreement, but hey why spend their own money when they can buy up elected officials and use public funds and gov power of eminent domain to build for them? While public outcry stopped the great bridge scam of 2013, to date nobody has answered for the tens of millions in public funds wasted on that diversionary tactic! And all those studies interlink with the still-pushing-forward HSR project where it enters OC.

          Meanwhile up north, people are losing their homes and businesses to eminent domain for a project the State knows they cannot build. The Feds have refused more money, as CA can’t put up matching funds as promised. The bond funds cannot be spent, the Judge on the Kings County Tos Fukuda suit could not rule against the State for violating promises of Prop 1A only because they had not yet spent bond money. But spend one nickel of it and back to court we go. (Which is also why we can’t use that money for roads, it must specifically be spent for HSR and only when compliant with promises to voters in 2008)

          Clearly HSR failed to study the history of railroads in Kings County, the transportation guys tend to not win in a big way up there (read about Susanna Slough) Richard and I drove up there and met the farmers fighting for their land and livelihood, and you put those weather hardened souls fighting for property their great grandparents died protecting up against pasty skinned pencil jockeys and I’ll put my odds on a bunch of almond growers. The examples of waste and mismanagement up there made my blood boil. Also check with me for tips on hotels, they seem to have issues with cheap sheets. But the people up there are amazing and are not giving up. Why should we roll over in OC for a project we know can’t be funded?

          The whole thing is a mess being used to fund contracts for a bunch of engineering firms who give heavily to campaigns. Period. And Brown and company should not get another nickel for transportation until they drop this fairy tale.

          • Why do our righties have no concern about eminent domain when it comes to building more highways and airports?

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            Having used the HSRs in Europe last summer, they were cheap and effective mass transit that California needs. You can while and complain about the service. Our trains were full, fast, comfortable, superior to flying and inexpensive. Worthwhile in Europe. Worthwhile here.

          • LFOldTimer

            The Euro trains have been there for years and are heavily subsidized by the government. The system is fully operational and only requires maintenance.
            The fares are not “cheap” by any stretch of the imagination though, unless the passenger is rolling in dough.

            HSR fares would be far more expensive than Amtrac. Probably 3-4 times more expensive. By the time it’s built the investment would surpass $100B dollars (easy). The fares will be priced accordingly.

            It will end up being a boondoggle. Why? Because airfares are much cheaper than HSR could offer and if a flight and a HSR train departed LAX and the LA train station at the same time the flight would beat the train to San Francisco by at least 3 hours.

            Would you take a train that would cost you 3 times more than an airline ticket and get you to San Francisco at least 3 hours later than an airplane?

            The whole concept makes no sense.

            It’s just another scam to make politicians and their sugar daddy contracted corporations very rich.

            I’m fascinated that so many can’t (or refuse) to see the obvious.

          • Air travel is heavily subsidized by taxpayers with the building and maintenance of airports, but our righties have nothing to say about that.

          • LFOldTimer

            Nothing compared to the extent of how the Europeans subsidize their rail system.

          • David Zenger

            Another travel industry “expert” speaks…LOL.

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            You have no idea what the fares would be. The trains in Europe were not expensive and far more comfortable than flying. Better than driving and less expensive than flying. HSR is costly now because we don’t have it. Once it’s here, I’m sure people will use it the way people in the Northeast go from Boston to NYC or NTC to Philly….

          • LFOldTimer

            Of course I do. They would be SIGNIFICANTLY higher than Amtrac fares. 3-4 times higher. That’s basic economics.

            I just checked the Southwest Airlines fare schedule. If I booked a flight from LAX to SFO departing a week from tomorrow (04/19/17) and booked a return flight a week later (04/26/17) I could get a standard RT fare of $175. That averages out to $87.50 each way.

            Anyone who believes that HSR (a $100 billion plus investment) would be able to match that price must be smoking some strong ganja.

            Why would I pay much more (at minimum 100% more) for an L.A. train ticket and arrive in San Francisco 3 or more hours after a flight that departed LAX at the same time?

            If you please, answer that question for us, Dan.

            If you fail to answer I’ll assume that I stumped you.

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            There is no published rate for high speed rail service between LA and SF, but $86 bucks seems to be the standard number being used. http://www.latimes.com/local/politics/la-me-adv-bullet-fares-20150510-story.html And experts are saying — consistently — the trip will take 2 hours and forty minutes. Not sure where your five hours are coming from. Trains are also environmentally better than planes.
            Seating on trains is more spacious and comfortable. Restrooms are not tiny closets. Food service is better. Many trains have WiFi and tables so work could get done.
            Additionally, you fail to account for parking at airports, the two hour advanced time to get through security, the cramp seating and hour and 15 minute flight is more like 4 hours from the time you leave your house to when you get to your destination.
            Your claims of basic economics fail the test of guesswork versus facts.
            In addition to high speed rail to SF, I’d like to see high speed rail from Los Angeles to Vegas. I imagine a partnership with Nevada casinos would pay off handsomely in the future.
            I’m no stranger to business trips to the Bay area; a 2 hour and 40 minute train ride where I could productivity work on WiFi without being squeezed into a seat like a sardine is preferable to a flight.

          • LFOldTimer

            Bottom line: Only a fool would believe that a train system that would cost over $100 BILLION dollars to build and put into full operation would only charge $86 for a one-way fare from LA to SF. Amtrac charges more than that!!! lol.

            Your logic is totally flawed.

            Do you get out much? Have you ever tried to find a parking place at LA’s Union Station train depot? It’s worse than LAX parking by a long shot. I’ve flown many times out of LAX. From the time I drove into the parking garage I was standing in the check-in line within 10 minutes. 10-15 minutes later I was sitting in the boarding area ready to get on my flight.

            How could the HSR make it from LA to SF in 2 hours 40 minutes? Are there no stops between departure and arrival? Absurd. It takes a full 30 minutes for passengers to deboard and board a train. So don’t be silly and expect us to believe your nonsense.

            A flight from LAX to SF takes LESS than an hour. So even if what you claim is true (I say it’s absurd) the flight would beat the train by almost 2 hours. lol.

            Please. If you want to debate the issue, fine. But don’t throw manure up against the wall and when it falls to the floor expect your opponent to ignore it. lol.

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            You’re assuming the entire cost of the rail needs to be paid back in the first few years?
            Fares between SF and LA will vary; likely comparable to a plane ticket. There is no pricing because the rail isn’t there yet. You cannot claim to know how expensive it will be until there’s an actual price list. No stops between LA and SF. 20 to 30 minutes to board. More like 10 to 15 minutes.
            Yes I get out quite a bit. And I have taken the trains in Europe several times. I fly a lot too. My flights this weekend in Boston and New York were delayed five hours Saturday and two hours Monday. Trains tend to leave on time.
            Yes, HSR between LA to SF with no stops is under 3 hours. Facts are facts. Try doing some research. I don’t think you have an idea of what you’re talking about other than stating an opinion from the cheap seats. Believe what you want. I’m done.

          • LFOldTimer

            Oh stop it.

            How the h*ll are you going to pay back more than a $100 BILLION dollar debt with $87 fares from LA to SF in 100 years? lol.

            Do you have basic math skills?

            Fundamental common sense tells us that the HSR fares MUST exceed Amtrac fares by a country mile. One doesn’t have to have a double Ph.D in Math and Economics to figure that out.

            There would have to be stops between LA and SF. Otherwise no one who lives between those 2 cities could board the train to go to SF. Do you know of ANY train currently that does not make scheduled stops between 2 major cities? Name one. Why would HSR be any different.

            Trains aren’t delayed? Don’t you ever read the news? They get delayed for hours all the time for suicides on the tracks, broken track, car accidents, etc… Imagine a 200 mph train trying to stop for a car on the tracks? Accidents and suicides are inevitable. A problems that are exceedingly rare with air transportation.

            But you refuse to respond to my basic premise: Even with your absurd claim that HSR will get passengers from LA to SF in 2 hours 40 minutes – it’s still nearly 2 hours SLOWER that it takes an airliner to fly from LAX to SF. And STANDARD one way air fares from LAX to SF are $107. With deals you can get flights as cheap as $49.

            Sorry. You don’t make any sense.

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            Stops in Europe are between 2 and 5 minutes.
            It’s spelled Amtrak.
            HSR is designed for point A to point B. No stops.
            You are embarrassing yourself making claims that you cannot back up.

          • LFOldTimer

            You’re not even making any sense.

            There are LA passengers who will want to stop in Fresno, Bakersfield, Modesto, Fremont, etc…

            So all those stops will have separate trains??? LOL!!!!

            We don’t live in Europe. We live in America. All trains I’ve ridden (to include Amtrac) stop for 20-30 minutes for unloading and loading. There is no reason HSR would be any different. Americans move slowly. Some think slowly too 🙂

            And I note once again that you failed to respond to most of the points that I made in my previous comment.

            You should really stop and consider your opinions before you post them.

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            Then those passengers can drive. Or take a different train that might take longer.

            It’s still spelled “Amtrak” not “Amtrac” and there’s every reason HSR would be different because its competing with airlines not other train service. Does your flight to SF stop in Fresno first? No it doesn’t.

            I just rode a commuter rail in Boston; 5 minute stop tops. I’ll note you failed to provide proof of pricing on HSR rail costs while I gave you a link to an LA Times story on pricing. You’re blowing smoke out of your butt.

            You are embarrassing yourself in “alternative facts” that conflict with published reports. And with each post, its obvious you rarely travel by train anywhere. 30 minutes for a train to unload and load passengers. Muhwaahahahahahahaha. You’re a joke. Look at the schedule below:
            It’s clear you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. I’m done with you. You’re a fraud.

          • LFOldTimer

            “Then those passengers can drive. Or take a different train that might take longer”

            LOL! You can’t be serious? So all potential train passengers who want to deboard or board between LA and SF should drive or take a 7-10 hour trip on a slower train? That would probably account for at least 40% of all passengers who would ride the HSR. LOL! You would make an excellent transportation manager for the State of California. I encourage you to apply!!! 🙂

            The euro trains don’t even go direct (w/o stopovers) from Frankfurt to Paris or from Paris to Barcelona. What makes you think American trains would? You make no sense.

            I don’t put much faith in your personal anecdotes. However, Boston is not California. I have NEVER ridden on a train in California with 5 minute stopovers. That’s unheard of. Are you sure you’re not describing the subway system in Boston??? lol.

            You posted a Metrolink schedule – not Amtrac or a large passenger train service that travels across the state!!! HA!

            Now I see I got you flustered. Go ahead and retreat I don’t blame ya. I’ll tell you what … to make it fair why don’t you and Greg double up and pounce on me. I’ll tie half my brain behind my back too.

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            Check the AR (arrive) and DP (depart) times for this Amtrak line….https://www.amtrak.com/ccurl/119/533/Capitol-Corridor-Schedule-082216.pdf https://www.amtrak.com/home

            Please do let me know about flights between LA and SF that stop in Fresno, Bakersfield and Oakland before flying into SFO. HST competes with airlines not other rail traffic.

            Euro trains do stop at other stations…10 minutes maybe; if you have to transfer to a different line, its not different than flying except that there’s more room and the ability to get a sleeper car for overnights.

            You still can’t spell Amtrak correctly.

            I’m not flustered at all. I’m writing from experience and you’re making up stuff.

          • LFOldTimer


            The bottom line is that air travel is MUCH faster than train travel (even HSR) and would be MUCH cheaper than HSR. With my example of travel from LA to SF the flight would beat the train by nearly 2 hours under your BEST scenario of 2 hours 40 minutes which I find absurd. Since trains cannot travel at 200mph through urban areas or on curved track it would only maintain that speed during maybe 60% of the trip at best. That would result in longer travel time. Duh?

            HSR simply can’t compete with air travel. Common sense.

            It would be a total worthless farce and a waste of taxpayer dollars that could be put to much better use.

            The purpose behind HSR is to make the contracted construction companies very rich which would result in large political donations to the crooks in the Sacramento legislature.

            And fools like you promote it.

          • @Dan Chmielewski

            The estimated time between LA and SF on HSR is 2 hours and 40 minutes factoring in travel in urban areas and curves and bends. There are multiple examples of HSR trains moving faster than 200 MPH throughout the world. See this link: https://themysteriousworld.com/10-fastest-trains-in-the-world/ You might want to look at the HSR map for California; not a lot of curves there…..

            Yes, Jets are faster than trains. And you’re supposed to get to the airport two hours in advance of your flight. Not so at a train station. Flights, like mine from Oakland to OC in Feb, can be cancelled due to weather (we drove 8-1/2 hours back rather than wait another day as mots flights were being cancelled for the next day as well due to high winds); that’s not a problem for trains.

            Cheaper? Many airlines charge for bags. Trains do not.

            Transportation should offer options. HSR ought to be one. http://www.hsr.ca.gov/Newsroom/fact_sheets.html

          • verifiedsane

            This is not Socialist Europe…you are using a completely irrelevant and ludicrous comparison…this is so typical of the left when trying to sell us horse sh*t packaged as ice cream …..if you think Europe works so well…why aren’t you living there?

      • RyanCantor

        $200,000,000 to make a $200,000,000 structure usable.

        Of course, never-minding the station at Fullerton is all ready to go. No rainbow required.

        Anyone really care we’re spending all of this money to enhance a right-of-way we don’t even own?